| # | User | Message | Date |
| 168 | Graham | is OpenSolaris gaining any traction ? | 30-May 7:47 |
| 167 | TomC | http://www.rebol.com/platforms.html | 27-May 6:53 |
| 166 | TomC | yes | 27-May 6:52 |
| 165 | Graham | Was there ever a view version for Solaris? | 24-May 8:23 |
| 164 | Carl | Next is Linux. And will attempt solaris at same time. | 14-Mar 23:08 |
| 163 | TomC | yes please | 9-Mar 17:35 |
| 162 | Carl | Core? | 9-Mar 17:20 |
| 161 | TomC | can we discuss a Solaris version. If need be I could work on building it. | 9-Mar 6:02 |
| 160 | Carl | I am typing this message from AltME 16 running on 2.7.6 on Linux. A cool thing. | 9-Mar 3:55 |
| 159 | BrianH | I have to do some family stuff this afternoon, so I will be able to make any mezzanine fixes this evening. I am not aware of any errors in them though, so make test code if you find any and post the code in the Mezzanines group. | 8-Mar 17:45 |
| 158 | Carl | Goal is to release later today, but we can delay if you want. | 8-Mar 17:41 |
| 157 | Carl | Update on status... 1. Brent is coordinating 2.7.6 testing and docs, with various developers helping out. 2. BrainH is making a few last minute fixes to mezz. 3. I'm working on Linux and OSX bugs. No time estimate known yet (debugging can be more of a hassle using gdb ;) | 8-Mar 17:41 |
| 156 | Maarten | (sorrty wrong group) | 7-Mar 21:50 |
| 155 | Maarten | Right now I'm enbaseing, shifting strings and back again. | 7-Mar 21:50 |
| 154 | Maarten | Basically, whjat we know from << and >> as operators on binaries in other languages. Not polymorphic in REBOL, but one of the few things really missing. | 7-Mar 21:49 |
| 153 | Maarten | Only for binaries: bitshift: func [ b [binary!] {Shifts the binary by 1 bit to the right} /left {Shift to the left} | 7-Mar 21:48 |
| 152 | Maarten | Tracker # 37. | 7-Mar 21:47 |
| 151 | Brent | I think 4263 is it? http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=4263& | 7-Mar 21:46 |
| 150 | Carl | If not, can someone post small piece of test code for it. Such things save me just a bit of time. | 7-Mar 21:44 |
| 149 | Carl | Is there a RAMBO for #20? | 7-Mar 21:43 |
| 148 | Carl | No, must be done after they are merged here. Otherwise, I'll not be able to know I have them done. | 7-Mar 21:31 |
| 147 | BrianH | Do I mark the ones that have been implemented as built, or do you after you have accepted the DevBase submissions? | 7-Mar 21:30 |
| 146 | Carl | (Tracker changes can superset RAMBO) | 7-Mar 21:29 |
| 145 | Carl | BrianH: RAMBO entries are not required for those. | 7-Mar 21:29 |
| 144 | Carl | Maarten: can you spec them in the tracker here? | 7-Mar 21:28 |
| 143 | BrianH | Can you do them today? If not, perhaps you should ask later, after the 2.7.6 release. Put it in the tracker. | 7-Mar 21:25 |
| 142 | Maarten | ....and give us something to really test ;-) | 7-Mar 21:24 |
| 141 | Maarten | Theyw ere there in rebcode, they are highly usable (think protocol implementations) and they would add a lot of value to REBOL. | 7-Mar 21:24 |
| 140 | Maarten | I have a priority I know a lot of people share: getting bitt shift and rotate operators for binary! types. | 7-Mar 21:23 |
| 139 | BrianH | None of these have RAMBO entries, as the ideas either came from Carl's blog, DevBase source or the R3 alpha list. | 7-Mar 21:01 |
| 138 | BrianH | Done so far: - Tracker #s 25 through 33 are done already and in DevBase - see the response section for references. - Tracker #s 34 through 36 have not been done yet, mostly because they are better done as natives. If you want mezzes, say so. | 7-Mar 20:59 |
| 137 | Brent | you want me to go through something in DevBase and add tracker items? | 7-Mar 19:31 |
| 136 | Carl | Also, maybe you can have someone else help you on it? | 7-Mar 19:31 |
| 135 | Carl | Ok, great. | 7-Mar 19:30 |
| 134 | BrianH | I've been busy. I'm listing them now. | 7-Mar 19:30 |
| 133 | Carl | All changes must be listed in Tracker - even mezz changes. | 7-Mar 19:30 |
| 132 | Carl | NP. So, there are no mezz update requests? | 7-Mar 19:29 |
| 131 | Brent | oops read priority # instead of bug #. Sorry. | 7-Mar 19:29 |
| 130 | Carl | Ok thanks for correction. Also, that's actually bug #5. | 7-Mar 19:28 |
| 129 | Carl | All submissions reviewed. | 7-Mar 19:25 |
| 128 | Brent | #11 should be RAMBO #4192, not #4129. not sure if this gives you more specifics like you need: http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r?id=4192& | 7-Mar 19:25 |
| 127 | Carl | #11 is non specific. I agree with the general idea, but I want to know specifically what change is requsted. | 7-Mar 19:22 |
| 126 | Carl | Still updating it. | 7-Mar 19:21 |
| 125 | Carl | Rather than post each one here... just look at Tracker, and select Active Priorities sort order. | 7-Mar 19:21 |
| 124 | Carl | #8 also. | 7-Mar 19:16 |
| 123 | Carl | #20 - Pending. | 7-Mar 19:15 |
| 122 | Carl | #18 - PENDING - scheduled. | 7-Mar 19:14 |
| 121 | Carl | #19 - vectorial fonts in Linux - changed to WAITING, here's why: I'm not 100% sure why this doesn't work. So, requires Cyphre to do it. | 7-Mar 19:12 |
| 120 | Carl | Ditto #22 | 7-Mar 19:10 |
| 119 | Carl | Status of #4 changed to PENDING - scheduled. | 7-Mar 19:09 |
| 118 | Carl | Ok. But, move the discussion to Mezzanines group. Thanks. | 7-Mar 19:09 |
| 117 | BrianH | The reason I would add potential backports to the tracker is so we could decide which would be good ideas. | 7-Mar 19:08 |
| 116 | Carl | (meaning - it is scheduled for 2.7.6 release) | 7-Mar 19:08 |
| 115 | Carl | Status of #10 changed to PENDING. | 7-Mar 19:08 |
| 114 | Carl | Status of #9 changed to WAITING. | 7-Mar 19:06 |
| 113 | Carl | At one point, a couple years ago, Cyphre even took a look at it. My guess is the fix is going to require substantial work from someone of that level. It cannot be done today. To get it fixed, I would suggest we make a bounty for it, and pay Cyphre (or equivalent) to do the work. | 7-Mar 19:05 |
| 112 | BrianH | Most of the backports so far are just changing words to get-words to make more of the built-in functions safe to use with function values. I tested them with R2 as well when I was making the changes for R3. Any that are unknown I haven't ported. | 7-Mar 19:04 |
| 111 | Carl | (Let me refer to this RAMBO #4274, #4161 - View / right-align bug as Bug #9 - the tracker #.) | 7-Mar 19:03 |
| 110 | Carl | BrianH: only if they are fully tested in R2. | 7-Mar 19:01 |
| 109 | Carl | Top of list shows:
RAMBO #4274, #4161 - View / right-align bug This bug fix is of a high level of complexity. I think Jim originally wrote this code. I've posted the source a few times for others to look at it, and it is not simple. The root problem comes from the fact centering and right-align is algorithmic, but the reverse map is static. To explain: To get from an xy to a char position you need to find the char line and the char offset. Char lines (Y maps) are cached. But, the first char offsets (X offsets) are not cached. Therefore, to find the X position, we will either need to store those X offsets, or we need to compute them again, on demand. | 7-Mar 19:00 |
| 108 | BrianH | Should I enter the R3 backports into the tracker? | 7-Mar 18:55 |
| 107 | Carl | For discussion related to tracker priorities. | 7-Mar 18:50 |
| 106 | Carl | Renamed this group to Priorities. | 7-Mar 18:50 |
| 105 | BrianH | I haven't overloaded the item names yet either. | 3-Mar 20:41 |
| 104 | BrianH | No, I can't upload. There are too many security fixes that haven't been accepted yet. | 3-Mar 20:41 |
| 103 | Carl | Otherwise we'll conflict with R2 items. | 3-Mar 20:40 |
| 102 | Carl | But, remind me, did you find a way to overload item names? | 3-Mar 20:40 |
| 101 | Carl | Well, let me diff to the SDK, but if no diffs, you can go ahead and upload the SDK R2 sources. | 3-Mar 20:40 |
| 100 | Carl | So, the team has to set the priorities, make the fixes, and test them. To degree possible. | 3-Mar 20:39 |
| 99 | BrianH | Right. When are you putting the R2 code in DevBase where we can work on it? That way all you would have to do is review and accept. | 3-Mar 20:39 |
| 98 | Carl | Also, keep in mind: for me, I'm only about 20% on R2 project. | 3-Mar 20:38 |
| 97 | Carl | Let's fix what we can between now and Friday. Prioritize well. But, not miss Friday deadline. | 3-Mar 20:38 |
| 96 | Carl | Let me restate it differently.... | 3-Mar 20:37 |
| 95 | BrianH | How about mezzanines equivalent to some of the new natives, at least the ones we don't port directly? | 3-Mar 20:37 |
| 94 | BrianH | That should be an easy fix. I just fixed a regression in ARRAY too. | 3-Mar 20:36 |
| 93 | Carl | ex: http://www.rebol.com/test/ --> http:/www.rebol.com/test/ | 3-Mar 20:35 |
| 92 | Carl | E.g. I tried to use R3 CLEAN-PATH recently with some URLs and found it problematic. ;) | 3-Mar 20:34 |
| 91 | BrianH | Many of the changes and additions would be easy to port back - some originated as R2 code. | 3-Mar 20:34 |
| 90 | Carl | And well TESTED. | 3-Mar 20:34 |
| 89 | Carl | I would be inclined to do that for ones that are compatible and consistent with R2. | 3-Mar 20:33 |
| 88 | Carl | So, the question has been posed: Do we want to move some of the R3 mezz back into R2? | 3-Mar 20:33 |
| 87 | BrianH | Let's hope that we don't see much discussion of bugs here, as there is a seperate group for that. | 3-Mar 20:33 |
| 86 | Carl | Created "chit chat" to replace purpose of ALL. | 3-Mar 20:32 |
| 85 | Carl | Requirements. | 3-Mar 20:31 |
| 84 | Carl | I'm becoming more adamant that we use group topics wisely... so with that in mind, renaming this group.... | 3-Mar 20:31 |
| 83 | Carl | So, this ALL group has been "shanghaied" into requirements. | 3-Mar 20:31 |
| 82 | Carl | Also, one I want badly is D&D of files. But, not sure R2 event system can handle it. | 3-Mar 20:28 |
| 81 | Carl | Some of those types of things will port quickly too. | 3-Mar 20:27 |
| 80 | BrianH | Not in 2.7.6 is a good answer, though. It may be worth it for 2.8 though. | 3-Mar 20:27 |
| 79 | BrianH | Would it be a problem to port some of the new natives to R2 as well, at least the ones that don't require the new architecture? I'm thinking of the speedup additions like FIRST+, TAKE, and APPLY. | 3-Mar 20:26 |
| 78 | Carl | Well, as long as we don't need Unicode in R2.... we can fix some stuff. ;) | 3-Mar 20:22 |
| 77 | BrianH | :( | 3-Mar 20:21 |
| 76 | Carl | Wow, this world really heated up fast. (Do I sense neglected developers?) | 3-Mar 20:21 |
| 75 | Graham | Doc, isn't there a bug using title in Encap when encapping Cheyenne or something? | 3-Mar 20:01 |
| 74 | Graham | Rambo #3660 ( reported march 2005 ) | 3-Mar 19:59 |
| 73 | Graham | It's easily remedied in windows with a system call though. | 3-Mar 19:57 |
| 72 | Graham | Is anyone concerned that shell windows opened in Encap do not contain the correct window title? | 3-Mar 19:57 |
| 71 | Paul | ** Script Error: Feature not available in this REBOL | 3-Mar 18:26 |
| 70 | Paul | Doc - about 'run. I forgot about 'run and I did hear that it was a wrapper before. We just need to get it enabled then. Currently, the feature is not supported: | 3-Mar 18:26 |
| 69 | DocKimbel | Could we see somewhere a changelog of things that were already fixed or added to 2.7.5 ? | 3-Mar 15:42 |
| 68 | Henrik | screen resolution crash is supposedly built in #3382, though. | 3-Mar 15:28 |
| 67 | Henrik | there is also the crash on screen resolution change in windows, which is quite serious | 3-Mar 15:26 |
| 66 | Henrik | I don't know if it's fixable, but resizing a linux/OSX shell with rebol console in it, makes the cursor behave badly when moved around. | 3-Mar 15:25 |
| 65 | BrianH | REPLACE is getting complex enough that adding one or two more refinements would mean switching some of the calls over to APPLY, which would kill the backwards compatibility. The R2 version would just have to be complex though. | 3-Mar 15:12 |
| 64 | BrianH | I was looking at this last night, and there are some R3 mezzanines that I rewrote that are still compatible with R2, such as ARRAY and REPLACE. Most of the optimization fixes are backwards compatible too. | 3-Mar 15:09 |
| 63 | BrianH | Yes, but perhaps it would be better to wait for the R2 SDK sources to be added to DevBase first and then make the changes there. | 3-Mar 15:06 |
| 62 | Henrik | if we can write, test and deliver them finished to Carl, then yes. are they in devbase? | 3-Mar 15:05 |
| 61 | BrianH | Some of the new mezzanines already have backports because they were originally ported from DevBase. | 3-Mar 15:05 |
| 60 | BrianH | The request to add /only to REPLACE brought this to mind. It would be easier to add to the REBOL 3 version than the REBOL 2. | 3-Mar 15:04 |
| 59 | BrianH | Just the ones that don't break existing code, but are faster, cleaner or have been enhanced. | 3-Mar 15:02 |
| 58 | BrianH | Important question: Should we back-port some of the REBOL 3 mezzanine changes? | 3-Mar 15:01 |
| 57 | DocKimbel | Exactly. | 3-Mar 14:58 |
| 56 | BrianH | Naw, you never know when that might be needed. | 3-Mar 14:57 |
| 55 | BrianH | Have that refinement be ignored on /console? | 3-Mar 14:57 |
| 54 | DocKimbel | agreed | 3-Mar 14:56 |
| 53 | BrianH | That would be more consistent. | 3-Mar 14:56 |
| 52 | DocKimbel | or maybe just /show | 3-Mar 14:56 |
| 51 | BrianH | That would work. | 3-Mar 14:56 |
| 50 | DocKimbel | /visible ? | 3-Mar 14:55 |
| 49 | BrianH | Or a new refinement. | 3-Mar 14:55 |
| 48 | BrianH | I like your show the console on call/shell idea better. | 3-Mar 14:55 |
| 47 | DocKimbel | maybe add a new refinement and let the users decide when they want to see the console window ? | 3-Mar 14:55 |
| 46 | Gabriele | but setting io redir for them would not hurt either. | 3-Mar 14:54 |
| 45 | BrianH | No, that won't work. GUI apps rarely need I/O redirection and never need the console window. | 3-Mar 14:53 |
| 44 | Gabriele | or, show it unless there is i/o redirection? | 3-Mar 14:52 |
| 43 | BrianH | Tracker description? | 3-Mar 14:52 |
| 42 | Gabriele | maybe call/shell should show the console window... | 3-Mar 14:52 |
| 41 | Gabriele | let's make sure we have this info put somewhere that Carl can easily access... otherwise it gets lost | 3-Mar 14:52 |
| 40 | BrianH | Perhaps they could be set by default, with an option to show the console if needed? I frequently call command-line apps that I need to interact with on occasion. Maybe call/console would do for that in some cases. There should never be a console window with call/console though. | 3-Mar 14:51 |
| 39 | Gabriele | yep. | 3-Mar 14:51 |
| 38 | Gabriele | yes, actually, there's just a flag to add (or remove, I don't recall... it should be trivial though) | 3-Mar 14:50 |
| 37 | DocKimbel | In the STARTUPINFO used by CreateProcess( ), just set in dwFlags, the STARTF_USESHOWWINDOW flag and set wShowWindow to SW_HIDE. | 3-Mar 14:50 |
| 36 | DocKimbel | About CALL console window issue, the CreateProcess( ) win32 call has flags to hide the window. There just need to be set. | 3-Mar 14:48 |
| 35 | BrianH | Is there a RUN native for OS X that wraps open? | 3-Mar 14:46 |
| 34 | DocKimbel | Paul : IIRC, the RUN native is a wrapper to ShellExecute( ), so you already have it. | 3-Mar 14:45 |
| 33 | Pekr | Doc could elaborate here, as he is author of async call protocol, which you can download via softinnov.org ... | 3-Mar 14:43 |
| 32 | BrianH | On Mac the equivalent is open, and that is what CALL uses. I don't know about Windows. | 3-Mar 13:45 |
| 31 | Paul | Anyone think winshellexecute would be a good addition? I don't know what the counterpart to that is on other platforms but it is a simple piece of code that offers alot of functionality on windows platforms. | 3-Mar 13:33 |
| 30 | BTiffin | Didn't hear ... bad assumption. Good outcome. :) | 3-Mar 4:13 |
| 29 | BrianH | Will we be able to put in some backports from the REBOL 3 mezzanines? | 3-Mar 3:09 |
| 28 | Paul | Is 2.7.6 only going to be bug fixes or are we putting in some wishes? | 3-Mar 3:06 |
| 27 | Carl | A: No. Where did you hear that? Was it from me? I hope not. :-/ | 3-Mar 3:02 |
| 26 | Carl | Q: " Is 2.7.6 not planned as the last official R2?" | 3-Mar 3:02 |
| 25 | BrianH | :) | 3-Mar 3:01 |
| 24 | BrianH | 2.7.5 was an official build. 2.7.6 will be another. There will be more (REBOL 3 isn't coming out this week, you know). | 3-Mar 2:50 |
| 23 | BTiffin | So, just getting into headspace; from the main goal; fix a few and get it released. Umm, maybe I'm confused. Is 2.7.6 not planned as the last official R2? Is there still more to come? A good thing mind; it just hasn't been my assumption. Is 2.7.6 planned as another beta step toward an official build? | 3-Mar 2:47 |
| 22 | Carl | Fixed | 3-Mar 1:12 |
| 21 | Carl | Restarting this world. 1 Min. | 3-Mar 1:10 |
| 20 | Carl | Welcome new user! Keep in mind that all non-private chat groups are feed over the web -- they are public by default! (Differs from from REBOL3 world.) | 3-Mar 0:11 |
| 19 | Henrik | I only closed the R2-beta AltME and started it again. | 2-Mar 23:52 |
| 18 | Henrik | worked on restart too here. I guess one is not allowed to use the bugtracker on first connect. | 2-Mar 23:52 |
| 17 | Carl | very odd | 2-Mar 23:49 |
| 16 | Carl | ok.. added one. I had to close all altmes, then restart altme. | 2-Mar 23:49 |
| 15 | BrianH | I saved mine after the restart, but before Henrik's error report. | 2-Mar 23:48 |
| 14 | Carl | verified. Checking... | 2-Mar 23:48 |
| 13 | Carl | Testing... | 2-Mar 23:47 |
| 12 | Henrik | I can see his report too, but I can't save any newly entered reports. | 2-Mar 23:43 |
| 11 | Carl | Feed: http://www.rebol.net/altweb/r2-beta/ | 2-Mar 23:43 |
| 10 | Carl | It's there. I see Brian's entry posted. | 2-Mar 23:43 |
| 9 | Carl | checking... | 2-Mar 23:42 |
| 8 | Henrik | "Development Tracker application is not available for this AltME world." - when I enter a bug report. | 2-Mar 23:37 |
| 7 | Carl | http://www.rebol.com/article/0349.html | 2-Mar 23:23 |
| 6 | Carl | Also, ViewTop and Editor parts. | 2-Mar 23:16 |
| 5 | Carl | Probably a good idea. | 2-Mar 23:16 |
| 4 | BrianH | Do we need to put the R2 mezz source in DevBase? | 2-Mar 23:12 |
| 3 | Carl | Yes, good. | 2-Mar 23:09 |
| 2 | Carl | Ok, R2-Beta World up and running. This is hosted on services.rebol.net server in Canada. | 2-Mar 23:09 |
| 1 | Henrik | we have a bug tracker here. use that instead of primitive checklists to keep track of the things we want to fix? | 2-Mar 23:09 |