| # | User | Message | Date |
| 604 | Kaj | That overview mentions Lookout as well, which extracts Outlook address books | Mon 16:01 |
| 603 | Brian | Random curiosity led me to discover that REBOL is mentioned in a Monster.com entry for Jabber, Inc. Just as one of several scripting languages, but it's still interesting to see. | Mon 9:29 |
| 602 | Robert | Ok, I see. These all target on the mail part of PST files. I would be interested in the task, calendar etc. information as well. | Mon 8:23 |
| 601 | Kaj | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/msoutlook-to-linux.html | 19-Aug 18:10 |
| 600 | Kaj | Here's an overview with more options: | 19-Aug 18:10 |
| 599 | Kaj | http://alioth.debian.org/projects/libpst | 19-Aug 18:07 |
| 598 | Kaj | Much newer versions of LibPST are here: | 19-Aug 18:07 |
| 597 | Kaj | http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox | 19-Aug 18:03 |
| 596 | Kaj | Both part of OL2MBox: | 19-Aug 18:03 |
| 595 | Kaj | http://freshmeat.net/projects/libpst/ | 19-Aug 18:02 |
| 594 | Kaj | LibPST for Outlook: | 19-Aug 18:02 |
| 593 | Kaj | http://freshmeat.net/projects/libdbx/ | 19-Aug 18:01 |
| 592 | Kaj | Here's LibDBX for Outlook Express: | 19-Aug 18:01 |
| 591 | Kaj | Yes, it seems to be fairly unknown. Thunderbird can't even import that one format, but our mail client does both. I'll dig it up | 19-Aug 16:07 |
| 590 | Robert | For Outlook too? Never heard about this. Any link, reference? | 18-Aug 16:06 |
| 589 | Kaj | There are a few open-source libraries for reading Outlook and Outlook Express files. The Whisper email client in Syllable uses them for importing mail | 18-Aug 1:09 |
| 588 | Robert | Good resource Petr, thanks. | 10-Aug 7:16 |
| 587 | Pekr | I would also try looking here - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/hubs/default.mspx | 9-Aug 18:37 |
| 586 | Gregg | It will be much easier to do via COM/MAPI than parsing PST. | 9-Aug 16:52 |
| 585 | Pekr | yes, OE uses mbx or something like that files ... | 9-Aug 8:16 |
| 584 | Graham | Brett wrote some stuff for reading emails from OE. | 9-Aug 7:57 |
| 583 | Graham | Outlook uses .pst, Outlook express uses x files | 9-Aug 7:56 |
| 582 | ? | Steve, we are getting ready to hook up to Outlook, I can't help you right now, but in about 2 months we should be on our way. | 9-Aug 6:39 |
| 581 | ? | Pekr, don't both just use the same PST? | 9-Aug 6:38 |
| 580 | Pekr | And also - we should distinguish Outlook and Outlook Express ... | 8-Aug 18:42 |
| 579 | Pekr | abut I thought similar API could exist for Outlook .... | 8-Aug 18:42 |
| 578 | Pekr | OS | 8-Aug 18:41 |
| 577 | Robert | Do you speak about OS or OL? | 8-Aug 18:40 |
| 576 | Pekr | well, the thing is, that Outlook may not be part of that API. It was mostly PC HW detection stuff oriented, but can't remember now ... | 8-Aug 18:36 |
| 575 | Pekr | when I will be at work, I will search in my ICQ history, can't remember the name of the component ... | 8-Aug 18:35 |
| 574 | Pekr | couldn't it be scripted? I have a friend who claims that he can pretty much query nearly whatever in OS via some API, even from CMD file .... | 8-Aug 18:35 |
| 573 | Robert | If you don't need it integrated in an app and just need a way to quickly search PST files, take a look at www.dtsearch.com Very nice app for this. | 8-Aug 18:34 |
| 572 | Robert | Best choice to use COMLib and the object model to get access to the internals and than extract what you want. | 8-Aug 18:33 |
| 571 | Robert | You mean from a PST file? | 8-Aug 18:33 |
| 570 | eFishAnt | anyone have or know of a script for parsing (extracting) Outlook stuff? Like finding emails or whatever. | 8-Aug 16:03 |
| 569 | Tomc | at your peril. | 22-Jul 21:42 |
| 568 | Gregg | So, doesn't that mean I shouldn't believe him when he said I had a great face for radio? | 22-Jul 12:36 |
| 567 | Tomc | which is different from saying it is not true :) | 22-Jul 3:08 |
| 566 | Graham | Oh .. thought you wanted ex SAS .. special armed services! | 22-Jul 2:03 |
| 565 | ? | For those of you that believe that we suck people in never to be seen from again…we deny all rumours that we do this. | 22-Jul 0:04 |
| 564 | ? | Graham...there you go now...can't hire you. : ) | 22-Jul 0:03 |
| 563 | btiffin | Software as-a Service, sorry, not quite the same meaning. | 22-Jul 0:00 |
| 562 | btiffin | Software services | 21-Jul 23:59 |
| 561 | Graham | SaaS? | 21-Jul 23:47 |
| 560 | ? | We are growing (again)… And are looking to hire 5 more full time programmers. They will be working in Rebol of course, but don't need to be Rebol programmers. They do have to understand SaaS, LAMP AJAX, CSS, HTML, JavaScript, etc. Ideally we are looking for people that already can show off some interactive website. | 21-Jul 23:07 |
| 559 | Terry | Framewerks uses Flash as a Rebol-2-browser interface, as opposed to the Rebol plugin which, in general, isn't all that great. Go figure. | 1-May 8:27 |
| 558 | Maxim | hahaha... | 30-Apr 17:51 |
| 557 | Pekr | Oportunity for REBOL - with recent blogs about R3, I am getting impression, R3 is more an "distributed OS" rather than "a language". I have an idea of R3+ /services + /plug-in + /web (tools to make it work with browser UI instead of plug-in (View), as Terry did), creating free + commercial models for distribution of apps, file sharing, utilities (widgets), cross platform. So yes, the idea is to help Google to win over centralised world of Miscrosoft or Opera widgets (running only in Opera itself?). I hope View gets new copmpositing engine, AGG based, faster. With the help of DIALECTING (we should really start to use the idea more - look at tour.r of RebGUI, or presentation dialect), because for ppl it will be about using the dialect, not needing to touch underlying technology. And that is our advantage. And that is the mistake of others - thinking that user has to know, that he has to accept events, instantiate objects, or do other OS specific and related weird stuff. So, with some strategy in mind, nice small apps released, I think Google is going to buy RT in less than two years ;-) | 26-Apr 6:21 |
| 556 | ? | We just posted another job (Web designer) www.Prolific.com/Jobs | 19-Apr 0:07 |
| 555 | ? | He is in the Contractors project. I'm open to talking to anyone. | 15-Apr 2:48 |
| 554 | Graham | Have you contacted Chris ? | 14-Apr 19:23 |
| 553 | ? | We are looking for full time programmers that have a knack for UI. Experts in JavaScript + HTML + CSS, generated from Rebol. We are looking for full time people primarily. www.Prolific.com/jobs | 14-Apr 18:51 |
| 552 | Gregg | Pardon the typos. | 8-Mar 21:56 |
| 551 | Gregg | Moderate to heavy, with some ligther stuff. As an example, there are some admin type utilities, simple data editors, that should be either improved, or created in some cases. Another task it an Amazon web service interface. I started on one for S3, but a general library for their big 3 services (S3, queue, ec2), with specific interfaces to each. Some R&D with the EC2 service as well. There are also bigger apps that use reb-services, rugby, async, and build for desktop or plugin use. | 8-Mar 21:55 |
| 550 | Brock | is this for 'light lifting' or 'heavy lifting' ? ;-) | 8-Mar 17:52 |
| 549 | Gregg | I could use an extra pair of hands at the moment. If you're interested message me here, or email me. | 8-Mar 17:50 |
| 548 | ? | http://www.prolific.com/Jobs/ | 30-Jan 7:06 |
| 547 | eFishAnt | I know of an IT position which is now open, which I would love to "suggest" a technology-saavy (as opposed to what normally attracts "IT Nazis" , (a good description of the previous person in that position who has just been promoted and out of the place...;-/)) If anyone knows a good IT person who knows REBOL well, and wants to work in Kansas City, please let me know... steve@efishantsea.com | 8-Nov 14:40 |
| 546 | ? | There is an endless stream of work... | 29-Oct-06 8:14 |
| 545 | ? | I have posted before, if you are interesting in working on stuff for you Qtask I will gladly invite you. | 29-Oct-06 8:13 |
| 544 | Gregg | Or he's hinting that there is work out there for others who might be interested. | 28-Oct-06 19:32 |
| 543 | Tomc | and if you arnt then your nose was just rubbed in it. | 28-Oct-06 19:09 |
| 542 | ? | If you are part of Qtask Contractors: http://www.qtask.com/chat.cgi?thread=00017450&project=331 | 28-Oct-06 16:29 |
| 541 | Robert | Hi, I'm looking for someone who can help in optimizing the GUI of an calculation application on a contract base. The main goal is to find the best way how a huge number of numbers and quite complex calculations and sideeffects of parameter changes can be brought to the user. If anyone interested please get in contact me. | 15-Oct-06 11:12 |
| 540 | Ryan | I am looking for freelance REBOL programmers to help me out with various projects on a contract basis (bid or hourly in some cases). Interested people please email the following in text/html format. 1. What is your availability (hours per week)? 2. What is your hourly rate? 3. List about 5 programs you wrote using REBOL. 4. What are your top five or so REBOL skills? 5. What are five things about REBOL you would like to learn? 6. Rank how well you know bind, parse, and layout? | 25-Sep-06 0:20 |
| 539 | ? | Some open jobs on Qtask that may be of interest to people here:
(broken down by primary language) C: Tortoise: This is a really cool project. And is open source. The goal here is to update TortoiseCVS to use Qtask as the file server. Qtask already has a very easy to use API to do all your file functions. Get a file, put a file, update a file, etc. The tricky part seems to be Tortoise itself. Richard took a whack at this, and got an outline of what is needed. I pulled him off of this because there was something even better for him to work on elsewhere. If you or someone you know would be good for this, please contact me. This feature once built would allow developers to work together really fast on projects, not need a server, and be able to keep bugs, features, files, and all their source in one place and tracked. I think Tortoise is only Windows, but it seemed like a great way to get started. Ultimately, I would like to see a system that allows MacLindows (as I call the big 3) supported. JavaScript: Spreadsheet: A simple spreadsheet that can be inserted into Qwikis. Needs basic math functions and range functions, and a good way to handle basic data. This is a fun interesting project, especially because it needs to be super simple, and simply work. ------------------- There are a few dozen other jobs posted on Qtask, but these were of specific interest that are still open. Many of the jobs are getting assigned to people. If you are interested in being invited to the Qtask Contractors project shoot me a private message. Feel free to ask anything. | 18-Jul-06 14:35 |
| 538 | ? | The number of people picking up job on Qtask is growing. But we can always use more people. There are a lot fun jobs to be done, many of which can built on code you may have already written Some example of jobs already taken recently: Email front end Blowfish (client side) Palm transport In some cases our goal is to keep the sanctity of code "open," several good examples include the PDF writer Gabriele is writing, the iCal reader Gregg is writing, and the Client side file synching (Qfile) Dan is writing. Some code is not intended to for release, or perhaps in some cases the code can be split. Several big tasks that are sought include: Spreadsheet (JavaScript) Photo editor (JavaScript) Jabber support WebDAV transport Gantt transport CVS transport If you are interested in being part of the Qtask project, please contact me privately. If you have a question please post it here so others can benefit from the answers. | 26-Jun-06 16:16 |
| 537 | ? | They can skip even downloading an applicaiton and still get to thier files. | 21-Jun-06 0:04 |
| 536 | ? | Qtask lets you, login into an HTTPS (we would turn the HTTPS part on for you), read the files with a single API call, and download them, it provides logging, and gaurenateed downloads with Qfile, which is open source. | 21-Jun-06 0:04 |
| 535 | ? | Why not use Qtask? | 21-Jun-06 0:03 |
| 534 | ? | "The idea is to login to https site, read the list of the files, then download them, provide some level of logging, and guaranteed downloads (try to re-download missing part), maybe some checksumming." | 21-Jun-06 0:03 |
| 533 | Pekr | ok | 19-Jun-06 15:31 |
| 532 | Cyphre | (we should move to some other channel) | 19-Jun-06 15:31 |
| 531 | Cyphre | I have proxy disablet and the object looks like this: make object! [ host: none port-id: none user: func [][ system/schemes/default/proxy/user: ask "Enter proxy authentication username: " ] pass: func [][ system/schemes/default/proxy/pass: ask/hide "Enter proxy authentication password: " ] type: none bypass: [] ] | 19-Jun-06 15:31 |
| 530 | Pekr | but proxy itself is the object, maybe it was proxy/subitem: none | 19-Jun-06 15:30 |
| 529 | Pekr | no, I am not, but iirc I used something like that in the past ... | 19-Jun-06 15:30 |
| 528 | Cyphre | are you sure this is the right way how to disable it? ;) | 19-Jun-06 15:29 |
| 527 | Pekr | I first tried with system/schemes/https/proxy: none .... then I tried to generalise - not using https .... | 19-Jun-06 15:29 |
| 526 | Pekr | I just tried to disable proxy :-) | 19-Jun-06 15:28 |
| 525 | Pekr | going to RAMBO it, right? | 19-Jun-06 15:28 |
| 524 | Cyphre | I think it is not 'safe' to reset default system objects in such 'drastic' way(why are you doing it??) but it shouldnt probably crash ;) | 19-Jun-06 15:28 |
| 523 | Pekr | maybe I try to incorrectly disable proxy, but anyway :-) | 19-Jun-06 15:28 |
| 522 | Volker | Crash here. | 19-Jun-06 15:27 |
| 521 | Volker | Bingo :) | 19-Jun-06 15:27 |
| 520 | Pekr | did I found a bug? | 19-Jun-06 15:25 |
| 519 | Pekr | system/schemes/default/proxy: none print read http://www.rebol.com | 19-Jun-06 15:25 |
| 518 | Pekr | ah :-) could someone try the following? | 19-Jun-06 15:24 |
| 517 | Pekr | now how to track the bug :-( | 19-Jun-06 15:24 |
| 516 | Pekr | the strange thing is, it even did not try to open the url probably - no packet generated in ethereal, no entry in Lotus Notes log ..... | 19-Jun-06 15:23 |
| 515 | Pekr | any guru here if https can be emulated manually using ssl/tls? | 19-Jun-06 15:15 |
| 514 | Pekr | rebol networking is in strange state, async was not stable and no matter what other site responds to me, it should not crash ;-) | 19-Jun-06 15:07 |
| 513 | Pekr | oops, it seems I will give-up here .... first it did not want to read url. The using Ethereal I found out, that the proxy is the problem. The trouble is, rebol can't interpret proxy scripts (java-script). That would not be a problem, I can discard proxy for https manually, but then rebol crashed on me trying to read Lotus Notes database by simple read https://user:pass@url/path/to/database/database-name.nsf .... | 19-Jun-06 15:06 |
| 512 | Volker | afaik only command, because of ssl | 19-Jun-06 13:37 |
| 511 | Pekr | is https available only with command? I have SDK, so no problem. I just read docs and I can see that https is just net-utils/net-install https system/schemes/http/handler [] 443 | 19-Jun-06 13:37 |
| 510 | Pekr | OK, I will ask our LN group for testing account .... | 19-Jun-06 13:36 |
| 509 | Volker | Maybe login works similar to http? read https://me:pass@server/.... | 19-Jun-06 13:34 |
| 508 | Pekr | I just hope things as certificates handling are not involved :-( | 19-Jun-06 13:31 |
| 507 | Pekr | Should I take the oportunity for Rebol in our company, or rather let it to some other tool? I have good relation with our Lotus Notes team boss, and I backed some of his proposition, so this offer came from him directly. Of course someone can change it, but I think it can end up with concrete realisation this time .... | 19-Jun-06 13:30 |
| 506 | Pekr | My question is - can I do https login? | 19-Jun-06 13:29 |
| 505 | Pekr | The idea is to login to https site, read the list of the files, then download them, provide some level of logging, and guaranteed downloads (try to re-download missing part), maybe some checksumming. | 19-Jun-06 13:29 |
| 504 | Pekr | Then Jaime offered their sync app, to develop for us, but it was not accepted here (some inner relations of various Delphi vs SAP vs Lotus Notes group, you know it, when we all want to develop everything using our belowed tools and using only them). Now there is a little chance. In the long run, we will go Portal way. So far, one division of the company is supposed to transfer some docs to other part of the company. | 19-Jun-06 13:28 |
| 503 | Pekr | Hi guys. I have small but maybe valuable oportunity for Rebol here to be used for something more official in our big corporation. As you remember, some xy months ago I mentioned we implemented Document Management System, along with archive. We were looking for a tool to "sync" such tools to our partners. We used mixture of SAP XI connector and Delphi app, but that is not suitable in the long run, as I can't imagine pushing customers to install such a beast as SAP XI connector. | 19-Jun-06 13:25 |
| 502 | Graham | yes. | 23-May-06 10:20 |
| 501 | Terry | or download and run the skype_contacts... .zip file.. auto installs the dll | 23-May-06 10:08 |
| 500 | Graham | Start > Run > Regsvr32 then drag 'n drop the DLL onto the Run dialogue. Fills in the path to dll automatically. | 23-May-06 10:07 |
| 499 | Graham | Oh, if anyone wants to try , need to download the skype4com dll and register it. | 23-May-06 10:01 |
| 498 | Graham | yeah .. GPL is fine. | 23-May-06 8:35 |
| 497 | Terry | I thought I'd do a white room, and change the license ;) | 23-May-06 8:34 |
| 496 | Graham | If you make any improvements, please post to rebol.org :) | 23-May-06 8:33 |
| 495 | Terry | I like how it boots skype if necessary | 23-May-06 8:30 |
| 494 | Terry | Skype.r Is a good start.. can build on that nicely now | 23-May-06 8:28 |
| 493 | Graham | But I guess cheaper than a satellite phone | 23-May-06 8:24 |
| 492 | Graham | Interesting ... and expensive. | 23-May-06 8:24 |
| 491 | Graham | You need to put in a delay after loading up skype before making the phone call. | 23-May-06 8:23 |
| 490 | Terry | (Amazon is preselling for $249) | 23-May-06 8:20 |
| 489 | Terry | I don't see too many products that turn my crank, but this looks like a winner.. http://us.accessories.skype.com/direct/skypeusa/itemdetl.jsp?prod=3059 | 23-May-06 8:20 |
| 488 | Terry | This opens a whole world of possibilities.. starting with an IVR | 23-May-06 8:18 |
| 487 | Terry | (and benjamin) | 23-May-06 8:16 |
| 486 | Terry | Nice work Graham | 23-May-06 8:16 |
| 485 | Terry | oh.. working now | 23-May-06 8:15 |
| 484 | Terry | skype.r is crashing on boot | 23-May-06 8:12 |
| 483 | Terry | Thanx | 23-May-06 8:04 |
| 482 | Graham | http://www.geocities.com/benjaminmaggi/data/ | 23-May-06 8:04 |
| 481 | Terry | Where's comlib.r.. can't find it anywhere | 23-May-06 7:38 |
| 480 | Pekr | maybe Josh is now on COM interface for R3? :-) He said he now moves on other things than plug-in, so who knows - he has experience with MS tools :-) | 23-May-06 7:29 |
| 479 | Graham | Correct. | 23-May-06 7:27 |
| 478 | Terry | oh.. i see it now. .http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=skype.r | 23-May-06 7:26 |
| 477 | Terry | "just published a demo script on."... ? | 23-May-06 7:23 |
| 476 | Graham | But if you have Skype resident, it dials out immediately. | 23-May-06 6:04 |
| 475 | Graham | Looks like you have to wait for a period before dialing out ...otherwise the script locks up. | 23-May-06 6:04 |
| 474 | Graham | Just published a demo script on using the comlib to call the skype4com object to make Skype calls - as requested by Terry! | 23-May-06 5:13 |
| 473 | Graham | See Benjamin's com interface. | 22-May-06 1:27 |
| 472 | ScottT | (in a tiny little voice) I'd sure use the heck out of a COM object. At that point, the plugin becomes almost irrelevant for non-view applications, or view applications running in a window, or whatever. I have no means to develop one, either. I'm not begging, but to see an interpretation of what REBOL might turn out as a scripting engine available to IE or WSH or the Script Control, VB, VBA, HTA, etc. REBOL doesn't quite feel like a scripting engine on windows because it is really a command-line sort of tool. IOW, it just as well could be a compiler, because it doesn't fit the concept of a scripting engine that admins who do use script already know how to switch from language to language, and REBOL seems to want to not play in the same game. My hopes for REBOL3 includes its ascendency to a full-fledged scripting engine, or at least provide an ActiveX object. either of these roads will provide a considerable temptation amongst those who already routinely use script to dabble in REBOL.. | 22-May-06 1:18 |
| 471 | Gregg | Someone else was doing the generic COM wrapper; I think Anton worked on it too. I generally write a simple DLL to wrap the COM stuff and expose regular functions for REBOL to call. If you still need it, and can point me to the info on the Skype API, I'll take a quick look. | 19-May-06 6:39 |
| 470 | Terry | you could boil that logic down to assembly though | 19-May-06 2:15 |
| 469 | Terry | I knew you were going to say that Jaime. | 19-May-06 2:14 |
| 468 | JaimeVargas | As matter of fact if you don't like the parens you can introduce macros in Scheme that allow you to use any-systanx you want. | 18-May-06 22:43 |
| 467 | JaimeVargas | And you can easily teach *start* equivalency of begin to scheme if you want. (define start begin) | 18-May-06 22:42 |
| 466 | JaimeVargas | If you argue those are not real programs just values. Then here are two version more versions. ;; Rebol print "Hello World" hello-world: func[][print "Hello World"] ;; Scheme (display "hello world") (define (hello-world) (display "hello world")) | 18-May-06 22:41 |
| 465 | JaimeVargas | Hello-World program in Rebol ==> "Hello World" Hello-World program in Scheme ==> "Hello World" | 18-May-06 22:39 |
| 464 | JaimeVargas | Terry you don't seem to know enough about Scheme. | 18-May-06 22:38 |
| 463 | Allen | Pekr re: "Terry - is WSH available by default in W2K/WXP?" WSH is often removed (or not installed by default anymore) because it was used in many email attachments exploits. | 18-May-06 21:40 |
| 462 | Volker | Main problem with rebol is to get notified when something happens in native code, at least crash-proof. | 18-May-06 21:04 |
| 461 | Volker | regarding skype-api. | 18-May-06 21:03 |
| 460 | Volker | Maed some notes. http://www.google.com/notebook/public/04439832352277312501/BDRwbSwoQzc7lybQh | 18-May-06 21:03 |
| 459 | Terry | Or should I say 'Semantax' ;) | 18-May-06 20:58 |
| 458 | Terry | "Make the background blue and move the form up 10%" Now that's semantics | 18-May-06 20:57 |
| 457 | Terry | Taking this same scheme example..
As for Scheme and semantics, Jaime.. is this your idea of semantics? (hello world in scheme) (define hello-world (lambda () (begin (write ‘Hello-World) (newline) (hello-world)))) Can i replace the word 'begin' with the word 'start' , and have it work? How semantic is that? It doesn't even know that 'start' has the same meaning as 'begin' ? | 18-May-06 20:52 |
| 456 | Terry | I suppose, when I say semantics, I'm referring to a combination of semantics and syntax.. semantax :) | 18-May-06 20:45 |
| 455 | Terry | Well, I'm glad you asked :) Moving to chat | 18-May-06 20:08 |
| 454 | JaimeVargas | (Need to do real work enough chatting. Cya and good luck on your projects. ) | 18-May-06 20:08 |
| 453 | JaimeVargas | Scheme not semantic enough for you? Then I would like to hear your definition of semantics. | 18-May-06 20:06 |
| 452 | Terry | the cure must be less painful than the wound | 18-May-06 20:05 |
| 451 | Terry | semantic* | 18-May-06 20:04 |
| 450 | Terry | Sorry, not sematic enough for me. | 18-May-06 20:04 |
| 449 | Terry | or prolog | 18-May-06 20:02 |
| 448 | Terry | If I wasn't afraid of parens, I'd use Perl | 18-May-06 20:02 |
| 447 | JaimeVargas | Terry if you want some terrific glue and are not scared of parens try http://www.scsh.net/docu/scsh-paper/scsh-paper-Z-H-1.html (Main site scsh.net) | 18-May-06 20:01 |
| 446 | Terry | In the past, I've had Rebol write the script dynamically, run it, then delete it :) | 18-May-06 20:01 |
| 445 | Terry | "WSH is a language-independent scripting host for 32-bit Windows platforms. Microsoft provides both Microsoft Visual Basic Script and Java Script scripting engines with WSH. It serves as a controller of ActiveX scripting engines, just as Microsoft Internet Explorer does. Because the scripting host is not a full Internet browser, it has a smaller memory footprint than Internet Explorer; therefore, WSH is appropriate for performing simple, quick tasks. Scripts can be run directly from the desktop by double-clicking a script file, or from a command prompt. WSH provides a low-memory scripting host that is ideal for non-interactive scripting needs such as logon scripting, administrative scripting, and so on. WSH can be run from either the protected-mode Windows-based host (Wscript.exe), or the real-mode command shell-based host (Cscript.exe)." | 18-May-06 20:00 |
| 444 | Pekr | I never used it, just .bat (shell) commands .... | 18-May-06 19:59 |
| 443 | Terry | I've used WSH with Rebol before.. it works fine.. the only problem is the kludge factor | 18-May-06 19:58 |
| 442 | Terry | I think so. | 18-May-06 19:57 |
| 441 | Pekr | Terry - is WSH available by default in W2K/WXP? | 18-May-06 19:57 |
| 440 | Terry | Rebol makes for great glue. | 18-May-06 19:57 |
| 439 | Terry | It's been mentioned from time to time over the years | 18-May-06 19:56 |
| 438 | Pekr | guys, wasn't here at AtlME someone trying to wrap COM? | 18-May-06 19:55 |
| 437 | Terry | There's no panacea programming tool out there. | 18-May-06 19:55 |
| 436 | Terry | Not sure about that. | 18-May-06 19:55 |
| 435 | JaimeVargas | If you decide to stop at integrating different tools thats fine.But, If you want higher integrationand control then you need to code more. | 18-May-06 19:54 |
| 434 | JaimeVargas | But ultimately is not really a problem. It is just that you get as far as you are willing to go. | 18-May-06 19:53 |
| 433 | Terry | Well, it gets back to the whole open source debate..probably the wrong channel for that. | 18-May-06 19:53 |
| 432 | JaimeVargas | I don't think is RT problem. That is a community problem. | 18-May-06 19:52 |
| 431 | Terry | or do what i do.. Rebol, WSH, JS, PHP, FLASH mashups. | 18-May-06 19:52 |
| 430 | Terry | the solution always seems to be 'use something else' | 18-May-06 19:51 |
| 429 | Terry | And that's RT's problem | 18-May-06 19:50 |
| 428 | JaimeVargas | And we return to the current state of being. History repeats itself. | 18-May-06 19:50 |
| 427 | Terry | Not anymore | 18-May-06 19:49 |
| 426 | JaimeVargas | Ok. Then COM wrapper is not so important for you either. | 18-May-06 19:49 |
| 425 | Terry | And a bigger pan to fry 'em in. | 18-May-06 19:48 |
| 424 | JaimeVargas | By then you will be a Rebol master and go to work for RT. | 18-May-06 19:48 |
| 423 | Terry | I have bigger fish to fry | 18-May-06 19:48 |
| 422 | JaimeVargas | Oh, wellt it seems nobody else is needing it. So no public solution yet. You may consider wrapping COM as an instructional goal. Even make a blog about it and share your path with the world. Maybe others will pitch in at sometime, like RebGUI. | 18-May-06 19:47 |
| 421 | Terry | I know Gregg spoke about it at one point. | 18-May-06 19:45 |
| 420 | Terry | I could have used a COM wrapper many many times already. | 18-May-06 19:45 |
| 419 | Terry | I have no idea how to build a COM wrapper in rebol | 18-May-06 19:43 |
| 418 | Terry | Since I started this chat, I found one for Skype.. dropped it into a folder (well, installed and registered), called it from Rebol (well, called a WSH file rather) and now I can send an email to my Rebol script, which instructs Skype to create a conference call between my wife and myself.. in less time than it took to look up the Rebol library docs for a refresher. | 18-May-06 19:42 |
| 417 | JaimeVargas | And the point is? If you need COM so badly and love rebol then go ahead and build the foundation you need. After all you will be able to reuse your COM wrapper many many many times. | 18-May-06 19:42 |
| 416 | Terry | Out there, there's tons of programmers who develop COM objects to interface with the more complex aspects of the various libraries.. you can almost always find a COM lib for the more popular programs | 18-May-06 19:39 |
| 415 | JaimeVargas | The SWIG approach is comprehensive, it will writte the wrapper for the full library API. While I like the nimble way of the standar EFI because it let you wrap just what you need. Keeping code shorter. | 18-May-06 19:37 |
| 414 | JaimeVargas | I think the best path will be to use SWIG to do a Rebol code generation for any library. Others propose do the C-Preprocessor. I think the SWIG path may be faster, and more realiable as it is already use for this purpose by many other languages. However I don't have the time to work on this. | 18-May-06 19:36 |
| 413 | Pekr | I wonder if there is any way of how to do it more automatically ... someone was even talking about parsing C defs and generating wrappers automatically, but not sure it is possible, maybe I understood it incorrectly ... | 18-May-06 19:33 |
| 412 | Pekr | I would like to help .... even with my very limited skills, I wrapped some parts of xnView and extended Gregg's send-keys dialect. But I am easily at ends, because 1) I don't fully understand C datatypes 2) which leads me to struggle, what is the correct REBOL equivalent | 18-May-06 19:31 |
| 411 | JaimeVargas | But to say that the EFI today is insuficient is incorrect. The first version of AGG was a DLL wrapper. We have the PRINTF wrapper that demostrates how to handel varargs and it is published in rebol.org. Internally we have wrapped libpcap for networking stuff. I think the EFI maybe not confortable but certainly useful as is. | 18-May-06 19:31 |
| 410 | Pekr | ah, then I agree - of course programmers do the job ... | 18-May-06 19:30 |
| 409 | JaimeVargas | Pekr, I agree with you the EFI should be improved in the area of callbacks, and datatype support. This is a task for RT. However writting the wrapper for a library is a task for the programmer needing it. AGG is special in the sense that extended the core features of rebol. | 18-May-06 19:29 |
| 408 | Pekr | ok, maybe those really skilled have no problems at all .... I just looked at some Ladislav's functions and also some Romano's stuff. They provide some helper functions ... there there were efforts to create more automatic ways of how to wrap C stuff, just don't remember who was trying to do so ... | 18-May-06 19:27 |
| 407 | Pekr | REBOL's EFI is not imo optimal. If it would, there would not be ANY suggestions for change and there would not be also any point, why Carl would mention that it will be much improved | 18-May-06 19:23 |
| 406 | JaimeVargas | Unless the functionality affects the core language like tasking. | 18-May-06 19:15 |
| 405 | JaimeVargas | So if anyone needs a particular functionality, it is the programmer job to write one if a public one doesn't exists. | 18-May-06 19:15 |
| 404 | JaimeVargas | Well Rebol offers ant EFI (External Library Interface) to interface with the anything in the outside world. Why should they provide more? Does C provides more? Or any other higher level language? I believe not. The fact that there are many wrappers for external libraries in the repository of other langauges like Python, Perl, Ruby, is not due to better technologies beyond EFI support, is due to a larger community which writes this wrappers for ther privete use and then open then to public consumption.. I don't think that RT should bear the weight of writting every single interface wrapper imaginable. | 18-May-06 19:14 |
| 403 | Pekr | well, that might come Terry, but RT has probably limited resources - we can be glad for Carl being on R3 nearly full time. R3 will provide even new interfacing model. RT contracted Josh to bring us plug-in, maybe we will se ActiveX one day, who knows .... of course it does not cure your current need ... | 18-May-06 19:06 |
| 402 | Terry | Even if B is a Porsche. | 18-May-06 19:04 |
| 401 | Terry | I have a need.. to go to the store.. do I take car A or car B? Will they both get me to the store? Yes... but I need to push car B to get there.. I'll take A . | 18-May-06 19:04 |
| 400 | Pekr | well, it's in the interest of us all imo .... it is just that - we are few skilled to do so, and maybe noone yet had such a need .... | 18-May-06 19:02 |
| 399 | Terry | It's in RT's best interest to develop a nice Active X wrapper or two.. not mine. | 18-May-06 19:01 |
| 398 | Terry | Exactly | 18-May-06 19:01 |
| 397 | Pekr | well, Jaime ..... let's just relax (states pekr, who creates most of the noise here :-) .... Terry's pov is - you are developer and you choose your tools. E.g. you want to use SDL. Now you take REBOL and oops, there is no any, while any other language has one. That is absolutly realistic minus for REBOL - you either has to develop it yourself, or you will have to use other solution ... | 18-May-06 19:00 |
| 396 | Terry | Yeah.. kinda like AGG | 18-May-06 18:59 |
| 395 | JaimeVargas | So basically Terry wants somebody else to do the hard-work and then use this to provide his solution. | 18-May-06 18:58 |
| 394 | Terry | That's like a painter spending half a day trimming his brush. | 18-May-06 18:58 |
| 393 | Terry | No, I didn't give up at all. I just don't have the time when other solutions are readily available.. I have more important things to do than coax Rebol. | 18-May-06 18:57 |
| 392 | Pekr | why do you give up, because Jaime expressed his opinion that world does not need such solution? Remember - the world did not need even another language, yet new ones are appearing :-) | 18-May-06 18:57 |
| 391 | Pekr | Skype is good, but hated by most networking guys, as it tries to shield itself. I want to have my network managed, so I would prefer app using SIP | 18-May-06 18:56 |
| 390 | Terry | Or shell calls with windows script host... once again Rebol rises to the challenge, then falls back asleep. sheesh. | 18-May-06 18:56 |
| 389 | Pekr | Not sure we can easily integrate COM world. IIRC DocKimbel did some tries. And even some project here, do not remember now ... | 18-May-06 18:55 |
| 388 | Terry | Never mind.. I can drop the activeX into a web page, and use JS | 18-May-06 18:52 |
| 387 | Terry | There's a few COM wrappers for Skype.. can Rebol speak Active X well? | 18-May-06 18:39 |
| 386 | Terry | For example, sending you an email when you get a message. | 18-May-06 18:37 |
| 385 | Terry | Well, the client doesn't do everything. | 18-May-06 18:36 |
| 384 | JaimeVargas | As far as I know there is no naked-skyped yet. (naked-skype == Skype without the client app, just a library). | 18-May-06 18:31 |
| 383 | JaimeVargas | Skype client does all of that, where is the innovation? | 18-May-06 18:30 |
| 382 | Terry | Turn your rebol app into skype chat, an answering machine, send an receive calls.. free to any landline in N.America. | 18-May-06 18:29 |
| 381 | Terry | is anyone interested in co-developing a Skype API wrapper for Rebol? | 18-May-06 18:19 |
| 380 | Ryan | Interesting Mac OS X project: http://buffalo.craigslist.org/cpg/161385456.html | 16-May-06 19:40 |
| 379 | Terry | Is that all? | 6-May-06 3:23 |
| 378 | ? | Here is a rough overview of tasks that are open, and need someone to do them on Qtask. If you are interested, send me a message with your email, or log into Qtask to the contractors forum and Task list to learn more. = C = Tortoise CVS: This is a cool job, but requires ".net" and "C" it is the job of making this CVS package work with Qtask's API. IT would mean that anyone could now set Qtask to be the hosted server, no need for a local server. But more so, it means that a team of people are not just using this as their server, but you can attach tasks and calendar events to code being checked in, even comments in the code. For example, Imagine simply putting the word "Done" in a comment of some code, and this automatically checking off a task which notifies the team. = JavaScript = Blowfish: Build client side encryption/decryption. This already exists, and I know the programmer, the job here is cleaning it up and making it usable with a demo. So easy. A GREAT way to learn JavaScript math. = Rebol = Delta: Build a system to compare to documents, and red line the differences. The input would be QML (like MakeDoc), the output would be HTML. You would be given the source code to Gabriele's scanner emitter for QML. Gantt: Build MS Project XML importer/exporter. This is a very straight forward bit of code. Jabber: Build Jabber interface for Qtask. Zip: Build Password support into our Zip reader writer that is already on Qtask. Voice Post: LiveJournal has a cool feature where you can call in with your phone, and post the recording. We want this for Qtask. Learn how it is done, we will start setting up the hardware. Identity: There is now an open standard for web identity. This means you don't need an email address to log into websites. www.Sxore.com to learn more. We need a Rebol interface to this. So do they! Bugzilla: This is the most popular bug tracking system out there. We want to be able to suck in their entire project into Qtask. Should be easy programming, most of the work is figuring out where to put everything. WebDAV: Support WebDAV so that iCalendar users (on the Mac), or Outlook on the PC can sync with Qtask directly. = Rebol = (Pure client) Qnew: A very simple application that runs in the system tray and lets you view recent messages, and anything else you think is interesting. This is 100% open source, and everyone is welcome to add what ever they think would be useful. We would provide you the API side call to match the needs. For example, you might want to set it up to only do Private messages, so you don' need to go onto Qtask to talk to people. = End = Is there a feature you wish existed in Qtask that does not? Perhaps you can be the one to build it. We plan to make Qtask the hub of communication for about 100 standards of communication out there, including RSS, iCAl, POP3, IMAP, SMTP, SMS, HTTP, HTTS, SSL, XMPP, CSV, CVS, FTP, WEBDAV, as well as some API standards like Flickr, Yahoo, Googe Maps, too name a few. | 5-May-06 15:56 |
| 377 | ? | Someone picked up the WebMail interface job, cool, but there is more... | 5-May-06 15:56 |
| 376 | ? | A fun new project for Qtask. We are looking for someone to write a Webmail interface for Qtask. In a nutshell, it would be a 100% Rebol module for Qtask that is interfaces in HTML and JavaScript. Interested? | 4-Apr-06 6:09 |
| 375 | Pekr | hmm, yes, bbrv .... so now what is their intention? :-) | 3-Apr-06 11:14 |
| 374 | Pekr | who posted it, bbrv? | 3-Apr-06 10:59 |
| 373 | Gabriele | (a friend of mine sent that link to me and i thought it may be interesting for some of you :) | 3-Apr-06 10:39 |
| 372 | Gabriele | "We are looking for a group of five part-time REBOL Developers. If you are interested in REBOL, some "one of a kind" hardware and the potential for a monthly stipend, please send us an email with a note on your experience and interest in REBOL. Preference will go to Developers that have been PegasosPPC/ODW users. The first phase of the Project starts in May and lasts for three months." | 3-Apr-06 10:36 |
| 371 | Gabriele | http://www.ppczone.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=555 | 3-Apr-06 10:36 |
| 370 | Ryan | I am looking for people that can help build a video oriented network appliance. If you have related know-how, either the video or hardware ends, please contact me directly. | 2-Apr-06 6:15 |
| 369 | Kaj | Right | 31-Mar-06 20:19 |
| 368 | Graham | It could be that these large companies using OpenSSH are doing their own open source contributions which cancel out their social obligations. | 31-Mar-06 20:18 |
| 367 | Brian | I think that his financial woes boil down to two things: 1) He's an infamously difficult person; 2) He's not smart enough to have somebody else do his speaking for him.. | 31-Mar-06 19:47 |
| 366 | Kaj | Well, it isn't, measured by user numbers | 31-Mar-06 13:56 |
| 365 | Ashley | Part of it may be, "Look at all the hardware that gets donated to gentoo et el, and the same vendors don't give us anything. Isn't our project just as important?" | 30-Mar-06 23:09 |
| 364 | Kaj | I don't mean that literally, but in a moral way | 30-Mar-06 14:32 |
| 363 | Kaj | I guess he feels it's not honorable for companies not to send any money his way, but he himself is not honorable by trying to change the contract under which he released all that stuff after the fact | 30-Mar-06 14:32 |
| 362 | Kaj | Theo has had many advantages in exchange for working on OpenBSD. For one thing, he gets to complain to the world. :-) The advantages were just not monetary. If he wanted monetary advantages, he should have asked for them, and the balance between monetary and non-monetary rewards would have been different | 30-Mar-06 14:28 |
| 361 | Anton | that's true. | 30-Mar-06 14:24 |
| 360 | Kaj | Obviously, there are many people who feel differently. But feeling entitled creates problems for oneself | 30-Mar-06 14:22 |
| 359 | Anton | I think it's a quite understandable psychology. | 30-Mar-06 14:21 |
| 358 | Anton | I don't. | 30-Mar-06 14:21 |
| 357 | Kaj | I find it rather strange to give something away for absolutely free, no strings attached, with the goal to make the whole world use it, and then later complain that you didn't get any money for it | 30-Mar-06 13:19 |
| 356 | Rebolinth | let me quote it "NF: Lots of hardware vendors use OpenSSH. Have you got anything back from them? TdR: If I add up everything we have ever gotten in exchange for our efforts with OpenSSH, it might amount to $1,000. This all came from individuals. For our work on OpenSSH, companies using OpenSSH have never given us a cent. What about companies that incorporate OpenSSH directly into their products, saving themselves millions of dollars? Companies such as Cisco, Sun, SGI, HP, IBM, Siemens, a raft of medium-sized firewall companies -- we have not received a cent. Or from Linux vendors? Not a cent. Of course we did not set out to create OpenSSH for the money -- we purposely made it completely free so that the "telnet infrastructure" of the 1980s would die. But it sure is sad that none of these companies return even a fraction of value in kind. " | 29-Mar-06 20:09 |
| 355 | Rebolinth | ...here a nice followup from openBSD project leader regarding the openssh and openbsd.. watch for the funding" part in the story.... http://os.newsforge.com/os/06/03/20/2050223.shtml?tid=8 | 29-Mar-06 18:50 |
| 354 | sqlab | That does not help, if the amount I have to pay for the arrangement is beyond my reach. It's not the first time I bought languages plus IDE's and the company developing it, went out of business. Or the buyer drew back the IDE, only using it for internal development. | 24-Mar-06 14:49 |
| 353 | Sunanda | Some people want the ability to customize devices at the source code level. And that may make the devices more attractive to them. Me, I'd never fly if I couldn't twiddle with the avionics on the passenger jet. I just wouldn't feel safe otherwise. But some people want their commercial flights to operate on software that cannot be modified by the paying passenger. That's why there are many airlines :-) For many people, I suspect open-source is simple a cheap way of ensuring the application has escrow; they have no intention of ever modding the base code, but they like the idea that they are not 100% dependent on the original author. But it is a *cheap* way of ensuring esccrow. Maybe they don't realise that many commercial developers (RT included) have proper escrow arrangements in place. | 24-Mar-06 12:37 |
| 352 | BrianH | When I bought my mobile phone, I picked one that I could write apps for without buying an expensive development kit, on principle. Of course the resource constraints on the device were such that there was no practical application that I could write that wouldn't require the use of my phone company's expensive data services to access a remote server that was doing the real work. It somewhat negated the advantages of being able to write apps in Java when there was no point to writing them at all. Still, I am carrying a device that can run apps, so the principle of being able to write them myself is sound. | 24-Mar-06 8:20 |
| 351 | sqlab | Would you buy a car from a small manufacturer and there is only one garage able to fix it ? I do not complain paying for it, (in fact I bought two SDK's), but I want some safety regarding the future. | 24-Mar-06 8:20 |
| 350 | Ashley | "I refuse to use a mobile phone because the seller won't provide me the source code", or, "I won't drive a car because I don't have access to the source code of the various on-board computer systems". There seems to be some hypocrisy when it comes to who we demand our "open source rights" from. Very easy to boycott REBOL because it won't open source, not so easy to do it for all the embedded devices we use on a daily basis ... and does the end-user / consumer really care? | 24-Mar-06 6:50 |
| 349 | Rebolinth | But your right..there are many other models to run...But i was quoting the person on his comparison with rebol in 1 line with opensource.. and i have seens that befor.. its odd to think like that... "I like the AS/400 machine but i stoped working with it very quickly because they did not relay the source code So i'm unable to contribute to the value of the system"..sound a little odd ;-) | 23-Mar-06 22:03 |
| 348 | Rebolinth | That sounds like a definition from a development project-manager's blue-book.. ;-) | 23-Mar-06 21:57 |
| 347 | Sunanda | Open source is a marketing model for software. It works well for some things. It hasn't hardly been tried for others -- BIOSes, military avionics, iPOD firmware, etc. There are plenty of other marketing models. | 23-Mar-06 21:48 |
| 346 | Rebolinth | But perhpas this is a nice examaple: Should programming languages be opensource or free for use ;-) Commercial programming languages actualy dont live long..but that does not mean they should be opensource... | 23-Mar-06 21:41 |
| 345 | Rebolinth | Anyway.. it not a negative point... its just how it grows... Lots of code is highjacked..put in a new jacket and sold or brought to the public as "new".. That irritates me..while lots of other have put time and money inside projects.. they finaly make it opensource to learn from it.. or use it with the "rights" atatched to it.. as nobody is checking any rights.. its just highjacked.. I dont like that.. | 23-Mar-06 21:37 |
| 344 | Rebolinth | [[ aaa <enters> where they should not be ;-) ]] | 23-Mar-06 21:35 |
| 343 | Rebolinth | about opensource | 23-Mar-06 21:35 |
| 342 | Rebolinth | Well actualy... 80% of the internet users is dies days a user. I describe user here not as a programmer. 20% of the programmer do think different | 23-Mar-06 21:35 |
| 341 | Sunanda | <<For 80% of the internet community "Open-Source" is nothing more then a wild translation of "Free Code..come and get it>> That may be a slight exaggeration. Still, if someone asks that a bit of software be open source, it is natural question to ask them what OS projects they've contributed code to. Cos, if they haven't, then they aren't making full use of the freedoms they ask developers to give them. "Show me the mods" as Jerry Mcquire never said. | 23-Mar-06 21:33 |
| 340 | Kaj | http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=14081 | 23-Mar-06 15:49 |
| 339 | Kaj | GPL Wins in Court Battle: | 23-Mar-06 15:49 |
| 338 | Sunanda | Useful site for researching what courts cases there have been: http://www.out-law.com (seach for something like GPL+court) | 22-Mar-06 20:16 |
| 337 | Kaj | There have been some court cases involving the GPL and other free licenses, but not many. This is a reason that the GPL is so complex: it has to cover every corner. So far, the court cases have upheld the intentions of the licenses | 22-Mar-06 19:55 |
| 336 | Kaj | I'm not offended, but I like to explain, because many people have the wrong ideas about this license business | 22-Mar-06 19:52 |
| 335 | Kaj | The GPL states that it is the only license covering the code, and that any other requirements cannot decrease the rights given by the GPL | 22-Mar-06 19:51 |
| 334 | Maxim | I hope your not offended... I was just pointing out something many don't consider. I do not know if its ever been debated in court... anyone? | 22-Mar-06 19:51 |
| 333 | Maxim | rights are very strange... in most countries you are allowed to consume drugs... but not possess them. | 22-Mar-06 19:45 |
| 332 | Maxim | well technically, they should have included this within the license itself. especially since the license specifically states that other things are "outside of its scope"... I agree with you in principle, but legally, there is gray zone. | 22-Mar-06 19:44 |
| 331 | Kaj | "The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0)." | 22-Mar-06 19:39 |
| 330 | Kaj | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html | 22-Mar-06 19:38 |
| 329 | Kaj | The Free Software Definition: | 22-Mar-06 19:38 |
| 328 | Kaj | Maybe you're confused because this freedom is so basic that they called it freedom #0 :-) | 22-Mar-06 19:38 |
| 327 | Maxim | but it does not prevent another license from being attached to the software. | 22-Mar-06 19:37 |
| 326 | Maxim | meaning that THIS license is not governing that aspect of the software. | 22-Mar-06 19:37 |
| 325 | Kaj | "The act of running the Program is not restricted" | 22-Mar-06 19:36 |
| 324 | Maxim | damn altme keeps changing my CTRL-S option > :-( on its own. | 22-Mar-06 19:32 |
| 323 | Maxim | not that I want to argue... hehe ;-) taken directly from the gpl: "Activities other than copying, distribution and modification are not covered by this License; they are outside its scope. The act of running the Program is not restricted, | 22-Mar-06 19:31 |
| 322 | Kaj | Sorry, that's not true. Especially if you talk about free software, freedom to run is one of the fundamental software freedoms | 22-Mar-06 19:27 |
| 321 | Maxim | in this case as a consultant, you'de be allowed to fix bugs for a third party, but not use the software elsewhere than at a company where they have a "rights to use" license. | 22-Mar-06 16:27 |
| 320 | Maxim | open source deals with distribution only. not the rights to run. gpl states it very clearly. you're allowed to copy it and re-compile it... but not to use it that is not part of the license. | 22-Mar-06 16:26 |
| 319 | Kaj | Then it wouldn't be open source according to the definition that is now widespread | 22-Mar-06 16:00 |
| 318 | Maxim | in theory, you can have something open source yet not have the rights to run it... | 22-Mar-06 15:55 |
| 317 | Maxim | open source is not just about money. its about control, controling your own path. | 22-Mar-06 15:55 |
| 316 | Henrik | rather than talking about it in here, why not comment in his blog? even if I've never heard about him, it's an opportunity to get noticed. | 22-Mar-06 2:45 |
| 315 | Rebolinth | i hope.. | 21-Mar-06 21:53 |
| 314 | Rebolinth | btw I wont finance the whole Rebol 3.0 project with that payment ;-) | 21-Mar-06 21:53 |
| 313 | Rebolinth | oke now to chat... | 21-Mar-06 21:40 |
| 312 | Rebolinth | ;-) | 21-Mar-06 21:40 |
| 311 | Rebolinth | Soo.. If rebol 3.0 is release... let me please pay for it !... | 21-Mar-06 21:40 |
| 310 | Rebolinth | Another unimportant Blog indeed...What is it with those people and the so called Open-Source?? For 80% of the internet community "Open-Source" is nothing more then a wild translation of "Free Code..come and get it..." Why is there always again and again this "dont wanna pay for something" thought when its something new...People GrowUp..nothing is for free anymore on the internet.. and dont forget that when you write remarks in your Blog about other products! ;-) | 21-Mar-06 21:39 |
| 309 | Oldes | And who is Keith Devens? His page is dead: </html>Error executing your query: Duplicate entry '/weblog' for key 2 | 21-Mar-06 20:49 |
| 308 | Rebolek | http://keithdevens.com/weblog (thanks, google;) | 21-Mar-06 19:49 |
| 307 | DideC | link? | 21-Mar-06 18:53 |
| 306 | Pekr | They are watching us: Keith Devens blog: Carl Sassenrath: Time for Big Changes. They're planning a REBOL 3.0. He promises to blog about it. Around 2000 or so I was really excited about REBOL. My excitement didn't last too long, and REBOL never took off. I always wished REBOL would be open-sourced. The interpreter seemed so small and efficient (not to mention extremely portable), and I wanted the source to be available. It would have helped its adoption, at least. They'd said they'd consider releasing the source when REBOL was more mature... too bad it doesn't sound like they're considering making REBOL 3.0 an open-source release (though they do mention that pieces of it can be open source). | 21-Mar-06 18:16 |
| 305 | yeksoon | teklogix, I mean | 21-Mar-06 14:53 |