| # | User | Message | Date |
| 566 | BrianH | You could take advantage of Uniserve's task dispatch and process management to do load balancing between LNS servers. | 2-Mar 16:30 |
| 565 | Paul | Wouldn't LNS currently have the same problem as Uniserve with respect to mono-processing? | 2-Mar 16:30 |
| 564 | BrianH | I wonder if it would make sense to make some kind of a multi-LNS layer over Uniserve. | 2-Mar 16:29 |
| 563 | Paul | I think that Doc has the most available and supported Async offering right now that can even quality for my needs. | 2-Mar 16:14 |
| 562 | BrianH | Of course. | 2-Mar 16:12 |
| 561 | Paul | I do see the problem Brian. | 2-Mar 16:11 |
| 560 | BrianH | Not discouraging you, just warning you :) | 2-Mar 16:10 |
| 559 | BrianH | Paul, you'd still need to think about all of those concurrent consistency problems if you went multi-threaded. Without serialization of some form, concurrent use will still be an issue, whether you are using processes or threads. | 2-Mar 16:09 |
| 558 | Paul | Thanks Doc. | 2-Mar 15:47 |
| 557 | Kaj | I'm currently integrating the UniServe software stack into Syllable Server | 2-Mar 15:43 |
| 556 | Dockimbel | In that case, you need to rely on slave processes, each one executing TRETBASE. This means that you have to set up a distributed architecture, think about disk-writing synchronization between slaves, caches consistency,... All these could be easier done if we had multi-threading support in REBOL. It can be done without, but it's more complex and much less efficient. | 2-Mar 10:07 |
| 555 | Paul | I would most likely have a lot of that going on with TRETBASE since the searches could take some time to produce results. | 2-Mar 0:37 |
| 554 | Dockimbel | To determine if you can leave the work inside the callback, just do some simple maths. E.g., if a request needs 50ms to be processed, that means that your server cannot do more than 20req/s. So it also depends on the load your server need to handle. | 1-Mar 23:59 |
| 553 | Dockimbel | So, you should be concerned about not doing heavy computation inside network event callbacks (like in 'on-received). If longer processing is needed, you should use the task-master service in Uniserve to send the request to a slave process (this has also the advantage of fully using the power of modern multicores processors). | 1-Mar 23:56 |
| 552 | Dockimbel | The main process (Uniserve process) should only do minimal work in processing port events so that other events can be processed in a short delay, giving the feeling of multitasking with several clients. | 1-Mar 23:51 |
| 551 | Dockimbel | Cheyenne uses the latest Uniserve's version. There's no special version of Uniserve for Cheyenne, so it's mono-thread. Uniserve also brings IPC between several slave processes using the task-master protocol (part of Uniserve, used in Cheyenne to run CGI and RSP scripts). | 1-Mar 23:49 |
| 550 | Paul | Doc, does the Cheyenne version of Uniserve also have the mono-thread execution. If so, what should I be concerned about with regard to blocking? | 1-Mar 18:46 |
| 549 | Graham | Not yet ..but wanting to make sure that forks are folded back in :) | 27-Feb-07 18:31 |
| 548 | Oldes | graham: what I know, my postgres driver changes are not in the original version. At this moment I'm not using it as I even don't have postgres installed. Do you need it? | 27-Feb-07 10:50 |
| 547 | Pekr | hehe ... well, they are mostly MS based - tried their website and I got some aspx Microsoft db OLE provider error. Will have to talk to guys a bit :-) | 26-Feb-07 20:30 |
| 546 | Graham | If you're going to head IT services at this new company .. perhaps you could get someone to write this :) | 26-Feb-07 20:15 |
| 545 | Pekr | Well, hmm, why not, right? | 26-Feb-07 20:04 |
| 544 | Pekr | :-) How would it be usefull? | 26-Feb-07 20:04 |
| 543 | Graham | not if someone uses uniserve to write a driver :) | 26-Feb-07 19:53 |
| 542 | Pekr | hmm, wrong channel, sorry... | 26-Feb-07 19:50 |
| 541 | Pekr | eh? I thought that Firebird is being regarded being one of the best open-source offerings? No driver documented? Strange - each language except the Rebol has driver, so how they did it? | 26-Feb-07 19:50 |
| 540 | Graham | there is a client java module in CVS | 26-Feb-07 19:32 |
| 539 | Graham | I asked a year ago on the developer list .. they said, don't even think about it! | 26-Feb-07 19:28 |
| 538 | Maxim | maybe someone else did this and documented it? somewhere on the net... just thinking loud... | 26-Feb-07 19:28 |
| 537 | Graham | Or, to try and reverse engineer the protocol from another product | 26-Feb-07 19:27 |
| 536 | Graham | It has an undocumented tcp protocol .. so for Linux, there is no option but to move to something else | 26-Feb-07 19:27 |
| 535 | Pekr | Graham, btw., what would be needed for Rebol FireBird support? Does it use typical tcp scheme as mySQL e.g.? This week I met with two ppl using FireBird, and there seem to be no answer from Rebol part. Well, maybe ODBC, but that is not free ... | 26-Feb-07 19:24 |
| 534 | Graham | off topic oldes, but are your postgres driver fixes folded back into the offficial driver ? | 26-Feb-07 19:20 |
| 533 | Oldes | Yes, but if you know how works server, you should know client as well:] | 26-Feb-07 19:11 |
| 532 | Graham | I'm looking more for client than server :) | 26-Feb-07 19:10 |
| 531 | Oldes | but at this moment have other things to do | 26-Feb-07 19:05 |
| 530 | Oldes | maybe I could try to rewrite it | 26-Feb-07 19:04 |
| 529 | Oldes | I have somewhere testing script (not for uniserver) working as simple ftp server. | 26-Feb-07 19:04 |
| 528 | Dockimbel | Never really investigated deeply such construction, but at first look, I don't see any issue doing that. | 26-Feb-07 19:03 |
| 527 | Dockimbel | It would require to control a "data port service" from a "command port service". | 26-Feb-07 19:00 |
| 526 | Dockimbel | Not yet, but I would like to add one. | 26-Feb-07 18:58 |
| 525 | Graham | Or, at least an example of a uniserve client copes with using a command and a data port. | 26-Feb-07 18:56 |
| 524 | Graham | Is there a ftp client for uniserve? | 26-Feb-07 18:56 |
| 523 | Graham | He wouldn't drink Jaime's free beer! ... | 14-Feb-07 2:41 |
| 522 | Pekr | Rebolek - that is for sure! | 13-Feb-07 21:18 |
| 521 | Rebolek | so if we bring some czech beers, we can probably get whole source code? ;) | 13-Feb-07 19:57 |
| 520 | Henrik | "after several beers last year in Paris, Carl told me that..." oh, so that's how it works! pardon me, I couldn't help it. :-) | 13-Feb-07 18:40 |
| 519 | Dockimbel | About server-side SSL : after several beers last year in Paris, Carl told me that the ssl:// scheme could be turn to work as server-side with just the right flag set (IIRC, was about setting the right "direction" in encryption), then you "just" have to implement server-side HTTPS protocol to support it fully. I've since that, tryed several times to get the info about the "magic flag" from Carl, without success. So I've prepared several dozens bottles of beer to be sure to get the info from him at the next DevCon ;-). | 13-Feb-07 18:33 |
| 518 | Maxim | exactly the kind of snooping I'd add too :-) | 8-Feb-07 21:50 |
| 517 | Oldes | At the beginning I modified it a little bit to better print out urls and to save favicon files if found while browsing:) | 8-Feb-07 21:50 |
| 516 | Maxim | hum... and I was just wishing a stable proxy was available in rebol last week for some testing... thanks! for the info. | 8-Feb-07 21:49 |
| 515 | Oldes | The source is in %services/proxy-http.r | 8-Feb-07 21:47 |
| 514 | Oldes | yes, and it's the best Rebol proxy I used. Just: uniserve/boot/with [services [proxy-http] protocols [http]] | 8-Feb-07 21:46 |
| 513 | Maxim | hum... uniserve can work as a proxy ? | 8-Feb-07 21:37 |
| 512 | Oldes | Must say, that I'm all day using the proxy service from the latest uniserve and have no problems with it. It's fast enough even when streaming videos:) It's quite fun to watch what files are transfered while surfing. | 8-Feb-07 21:22 |
| 511 | Maxim | (and apache is good at handling thousands of requests without crashing) | 8-Feb-07 17:32 |
| 510 | Maxim | it also allows us to spread connections over many machines/threads virtualise the port and all that nice stuff without actually having to code it. | 8-Feb-07 17:31 |
| 509 | Maxim | If I had time I would have done it much before, but we ended up using apache and a reverse proxy setup... and that works really well. | 8-Feb-07 17:30 |
| 508 | Mchean | do i smell a competition? | 8-Feb-07 17:29 |
| 507 | Maxim | all the actual core needs are within... its just a question of reading the rfc (or implementation guides, or books) and using the encryptions funcs within REBOL... but I'll agree its not for the faint of heart... I've read a lot about server-side ssl implemtation a few months ago and its quite laborious. But still doable. | 8-Feb-07 15:43 |
| 506 | Ladislav | (you can implement it in REBOL) | 8-Feb-07 14:52 |
| 505 | Ladislav | :-) | 8-Feb-07 14:52 |
| 504 | Ladislav | close but no cigar again | 8-Feb-07 14:52 |
| 503 | Graham | let me rephrase that .. no one outside of RT and their contractors know how to do this. | 8-Feb-07 8:33 |
| 502 | Ladislav | "Rebol can't do server side SSL" - close but no cigar, actually, it is not that hard | 8-Feb-07 8:16 |
| 501 | Graham | So, without server side SSL, Cheyenne can't do https .. unless it's thru stunnel. | 8-Feb-07 1:28 |
| 500 | Graham | Rebol can't do server side SSL ... Carl thought it could by changing a flag, but it does not work when it was tested. | 8-Feb-07 1:28 |
| 499 | Graham | Sessions are broken in cheyenne. Basically session data from one client ends up as session data in another :( | 8-Feb-07 1:27 |
| 498 | BrianH | Reading is client-side SSL. | 7-Feb-07 19:54 |
| 497 | Oldes | ok... doc' seems to be online now, as he emailed me almost immediately: I'm aware of this problem (cgi and paths). It's because the encap-fs system is not correctly supported in this version of UniServe (it's ok in the Cheyenne package). I didn't fixed it because, with the release of Cheyenne, I'm not sure to keep the CGI support for the HTTPd service in the UniServe package. I may just provide a static HTTPd server with hooks to extend it or embed it in user applications. v1 of UniServe have to be very easy to embed in any app (that's one of main goals). | 7-Feb-07 19:52 |
| 496 | Henrik | well, command can read https pages...? | 7-Feb-07 19:52 |
| 495 | BrianH | I don't know how it would have HTTPS server support, even with /Command. I thought /Command only has SSL client support. | 7-Feb-07 19:51 |
| 494 | Oldes | I don't know how it's with https, I don't have /command | 7-Feb-07 19:49 |
| 493 | BrianH | You mean HTTPS? | 7-Feb-07 19:48 |
| 492 | Oldes | the chayenne is just encrypted uniserve | 7-Feb-07 19:47 |
| 491 | Oldes | there is file %libs/cookies.r so one can take a look at it, if needed | 7-Feb-07 19:46 |
| 490 | BrianH | Surely you are not surprised that Doc would disappear abruptly? He seems to have even less time than I do. | 7-Feb-07 19:46 |
| 489 | Pekr | BrianH - of course if you don't need sessions, httpd is probably working well. I just did not understand the Cheyenne release. The simple demo did not work. There is a demo with screen divided into something like 4x4 subwindows (frames), and most of them times out. Doc told me session layer is about to be rewritten, then no word from him for another few months | 7-Feb-07 19:43 |
| 488 | Oldes | I don't know what is with sessions. The uniserve seems to pretty good to me. I'm using it. And I think that Doc is still Reboling, probably just don't have so much time. | 7-Feb-07 19:40 |
| 487 | BrianH | Do you mean that sessions are non-working, or that there is something about non-working sessions that makes HTTP (a stateless protocol that wouldn't normally need sessions) not work? | 7-Feb-07 19:34 |
| 486 | Pekr | is Doc going to be back on Uniserve or Chayanne? Without fixed sessions it is mostly non working httpd server | 7-Feb-07 19:30 |
| 485 | Oldes | Yes, we had a short electronic contact :-) In this archive are the proxy and httpd services working without need of changes, the cgi test seems to give me an error so probably this will need some fix. | 7-Feb-07 19:22 |
| 484 | Pekr | btw - what fixes it needs? | 7-Feb-07 19:03 |
| 483 | Pekr | he is in contact with you? | 7-Feb-07 19:03 |
| 482 | Oldes | I've got this newer Nenad's version of UniServe http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rebol/UniServe-r0991.zip (but as he said - beware, it needs several fixes and updates to become a 1.0 candidate) | 7-Feb-07 17:29 |
| 481 | Oldes | and I'm not using most of the files. (At least now) | 30-Jan-07 21:24 |
| 480 | Oldes | as the one above | 30-Jan-07 21:22 |
| 479 | Oldes | it works, but you have to do some small changes:-) | 30-Jan-07 21:22 |
| 478 | Pekr | so new version, 0919 does not work s is? | 30-Jan-07 21:21 |
| 477 | Oldes | I'm slowly moving forward:) after a few hours I almost have what I already had but using new uniserve:) | 30-Jan-07 21:14 |
| 476 | Oldes | This was quite important difference as my scripts were still using response (so I was getting result = none) | 30-Jan-07 21:11 |
| 475 | Mchean | so the project - moving forward - contains encapped modules? | 30-Jan-07 21:10 |
| 474 | Pekr | but 0.919 is provided with no documentation ... what is the difference then? | 30-Jan-07 21:08 |
| 473 | Oldes | hmm.... maybe if someone was using uniserver 0.9.9 and want to upgrade, there was important change - instead of module/response there is now module/result | 30-Jan-07 21:07 |
| 472 | Oldes | so what is here is Cheyenne in some unfinished state | 30-Jan-07 19:54 |
| 471 | Oldes | and if you look into cgi code in the UniServe archive, you can see, it identifies itself like soc/server-software: "Cheyenne/1.0" | 30-Jan-07 19:53 |
| 470 | Oldes | ech.. no, the compression should be in version 1.0 | 30-Jan-07 19:49 |
| 469 | Oldes | (not just httpd as it is able to do for example bzip2 compression so it probably needs some libs) | 30-Jan-07 19:48 |
| 468 | Oldes | Yes, the encapped part is the httpd service. You can see, that in Cheynne archive there is a little bit newer uniserve engine - 0.9.20 | 30-Jan-07 19:45 |
| 467 | Pekr | and do we have access to that httpd source? Cheyenne is encapped, no? | 30-Jan-07 19:29 |
| 466 | Oldes | Yes, the most recent version is newer httpd service which is called Cheynne :) | 30-Jan-07 19:27 |
| 465 | Pekr | I tried to contact him few days ago, and asked him for some more recent version. I somehow believe, that if he really uses it for his own stuff, he has to have some things fixed already :-) | 30-Jan-07 19:19 |
| 464 | Oldes | he just gave us some sources to play with | 30-Jan-07 19:17 |
| 463 | Oldes | it's not realease | 30-Jan-07 19:17 |
| 462 | Pekr | Later on he told me session handling is going to be rewriten, but then he left scene for another few months probably :-) | 30-Jan-07 19:17 |
| 461 | Oldes | At least I use it for such a scenario, which takes more than 10secs to process | 30-Jan-07 19:17 |
| 460 | Pekr | yes, but its session support sucks. I really don't understand, how Doc could release it, as it miserably fails. Have you tried multiple pane demo? | 30-Jan-07 19:16 |
| 459 | Oldes | Pekr: and if you need to process something which will take 10secs, Uniserve should be good in that. | 30-Jan-07 19:16 |
| 458 | Oldes | And don't forget, that Chayenne is made on Uniserve, it will be probably some more uptodate version:-) | 30-Jan-07 19:14 |
| 457 | Pekr | Uniserve is imo kind of engine we SHOULD adapt and include in the core. In the case of R3, using native R3 tasking ... | 30-Jan-07 19:14 |
| 456 | Pekr | Maarten later on introduced so called "green threading" (?), so you can divide your exposed function functionality in several or many parts, to get better granularity. Then he introduced chaining- so that e.g. main Rugby process could become kind of proxy, and forward (chain) request to other instance. But then there were some problems iirc and Maarten left its development. | 30-Jan-07 19:13 |
| 455 | Oldes | Pekr: I'm using uniserve as well for some time, but version 0.9.9 I found some time to look at the version 0.9.19 now so I'm examining it, and must say, that's just a quick pack of some files. | 30-Jan-07 19:13 |
| 454 | Pekr | Mchean - In the past I really loved Rugby - if you want to start with something, and learn something (RPC), it is really a good choice (Rugby). Very simple to use. What I did not liked was - its lack of asynchronicity. E.g. in Rugby you select your function of exported (so callable over the tcp/ip network). But if such function does something for 10secs, then all Rugby is blocked and it is not able to accept further requests. | 30-Jan-07 19:11 |
| 453 | Pekr | Oldes - what does your task master fix fixes particularly? | 30-Jan-07 19:09 |
| 452 | Pekr | That all sounds really strange, as Doc was claiming they use Uniserve in production for several customers or so, for quite some time ... | 30-Jan-07 19:09 |
| 451 | Oldes | and still have some problems... | 30-Jan-07 18:37 |
| 450 | Oldes | I just started:) | 30-Jan-07 18:36 |
| 449 | Graham | Oldes, why don't you release a fixed version ? | 30-Jan-07 18:33 |
| 448 | Oldes | And there is another bug in the UniServe0919 - there should be this in the file %services/task-master/task-handler.r (the [not value?] check is not enough): if any [not value? 'uniserve-path none? uniserve-path] [uniserve-path: what-dir] if any [not value? 'modules-path none? modules-path] [modules-path: dirize uniserve-path/modules] if any [not value? 'uniserve-port none? uniserve-port] [uniserve-port: 9799] | 30-Jan-07 18:20 |
| 447 | Mchean | thanks - i will look at that | 30-Jan-07 18:05 |
| 446 | Oldes | for example with this one http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=webserv.r | 30-Jan-07 18:04 |
| 445 | Oldes | I'm not sure if you should not start with some older server which are not async | 30-Jan-07 18:02 |
| 444 | Mchean | to learn about web servers, and rebol commands | 30-Jan-07 18:00 |
| 443 | Oldes | I started with uniserve 0.9.9 which is stable enough for me. | 30-Jan-07 18:00 |
| 442 | Oldes | what kind of learning? | 30-Jan-07 17:58 |
| 441 | Mchean | just a learning tool | 30-Jan-07 17:58 |
| 440 | Oldes | I don't know, I never used Rugby and don't know what you want to do:) | 30-Jan-07 17:57 |
| 439 | Mchean | ok thanks - do you think Rugby might be a better choice? | 30-Jan-07 17:56 |
| 438 | Oldes | the file is probably not in the best shape as there are some probes which are probably because of debugging which was Doc making at the moment when he gave it here | 30-Jan-07 17:55 |
| 437 | Oldes | you can also change the port you are listening - for example to 8080 | 30-Jan-07 17:53 |
| 436 | Oldes | just go to services/HTTPd.r file and edit the prefs | 30-Jan-07 17:52 |
| 435 | Mchean | my purpose is to educate myself about servers using Uniserve as a starting point | 30-Jan-07 17:51 |
| 434 | Mchean | hmm... maybe that's not a good expectation then | 30-Jan-07 17:51 |
| 433 | Mchean | Not really, just trying to get the out-of-box experience | 30-Jan-07 17:50 |
| 432 | Oldes | And if you are using the Uniserve from the link above, you should know, that it's just a shapshot from doc's folder so you have to for example edit some files - for example the default prefs of the HTTPd as they are leading into files which don't exists. | 30-Jan-07 17:50 |
| 431 | Oldes | do you really need all the protocols? If not, you can start uniserve using this way: do %uni-engine.r uniserve/verbose: 5 uniserve/boot/no-loop/with [ protocols [irc] services [flashd task-master httpd] ] ;do whatever here do-events | 30-Jan-07 17:43 |
| 430 | Mchean | yes, i think im making progress thanks for the help | 30-Jan-07 4:02 |
| 429 | Graham | does the binary work for you? | 30-Jan-07 1:41 |
| 428 | Mchean | I figured out how to stop the service tying up the 80 port , When i run this is what I get: >> do %/c/temp/rebol/uniserve/uni-engine.r == true >> uniserve/boot [uniserve] Async Protocol Admin loaded [uniserve] Async Protocol DNS loaded [uniserve] Async Protocol FastCGI loaded [uniserve] Async Protocol HTTP loaded ** Script Error: change expected series argument of type: series port ** Where: install-plugin ** Near: change pos/2 new | 30-Jan-07 1:31 |
| 427 | Mchean | scary how many open ports i have for processes i can't id | 29-Jan-07 23:07 |
| 426 | Mchean | It turns out I have a inetinfo service running which locks that port. Its used in IIS but since I'm not running it I'm not sure what is using this process, and killing it doesn't work, as it keeps coming back. I will have to investigate using another port | 29-Jan-07 22:54 |
| 425 | Mchean | i found this also on a suggestion from a friend: http://www.hijackfree.de/en/ | 29-Jan-07 20:04 |
| 424 | Pekr | netstat -an | 29-Jan-07 19:39 |
| 423 | Graham | try this http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/utilities/TcpView.mspx | 29-Jan-07 19:26 |
| 422 | Graham | netstat will tell you that 80 is open | 29-Jan-07 19:21 |
| 421 | Graham | there are windows utilities to see what ports are opened and by what. | 29-Jan-07 19:16 |
| 420 | Mchean | Graham the command fails so i guess something has port 80 tied up though i don't know what this might be. I've tried this on 2 pc's on one the localhost fails with no page found, and on another im prompted for a user password. I'll talk to my tech. | 29-Jan-07 19:05 |
| 419 | Graham | XP will ask you if you start up a server process if it is to be allowed | 29-Jan-07 18:01 |
| 418 | Mchean | Would there be any issues with port blocking in Windows XP and their firewall? | 29-Jan-07 17:54 |
| 417 | Mchean | thank-you! | 29-Jan-07 17:27 |
| 416 | Pekr | 0.9.9 is latest official version. But scroll to some earlier messages here, and you will find link to beta 0.919 version .... | 29-Jan-07 8:16 |
| 415 | Graham | if that fails, then another process is serving on 80. | 29-Jan-07 7:42 |
| 414 | Graham | try : server: open tcp://:80 | 29-Jan-07 7:42 |
| 413 | Graham | open Rebol | 29-Jan-07 7:35 |
| 412 | Mchean | I'm using Version : 0.9.9 Date : 11-Oct-2004 is there perhaps a later version. | 29-Jan-07 6:43 |
| 411 | Mchean | Localhost doesn't respond in the browser, and there is no http2.r file andy other suggestions? I'm have very little experience with servers so don't know where to startt | 29-Jan-07 6:40 |
| 410 | Oldes | unfortunately there are still some issues with this service:( | 27-Jan-07 17:39 |
| 409 | Oldes | I started to play with the proxy-http service a little bit and found that there is a bug: the on-error http-event has args: [reason port] not [port reason] ! | 27-Jan-07 17:37 |
| 408 | MikeL | Easy to check with http://localhost Sometimes that gives you the home page of the server that is colliding with the one you want. | 27-Jan-07 0:08 |
| 407 | Mchean | Thanks Pekr, that would be a suprise if i was running a server somewhere | 26-Jan-07 17:27 |
| 406 | Pekr | and if it does not help, you are aparently running some web server on port 80 already ... | 25-Jan-07 7:21 |
| 405 | Pekr | Mchean - if you are using latest demo version, go to uniserve/protocols, and remove http2.r file - it was mistake of DocKimbel, who mistakenly left the testing file in the archive ... | 25-Jan-07 7:20 |
| 404 | Mchean | I've received an error in starter.r: ## Error in [uniserve] : Cannot open server HTTPd on port 80 ! | 25-Jan-07 5:13 |
| 403 | Maarten | They are all 3 abstractions of a lower-level rebol async layer, performance is in the same range. | 14-Jan-07 18:14 |
| 402 | Joe | How does uniserver tcp async compare with a) async://, b) atcp:// and c) the new async core that may eventually be released (and was available two years ago !) | 14-Jan-07 17:45 |
| 401 | xavier | very interesting tool ... i go to do a site on it | 13-Jan-07 10:46 |
| 400 | xavier | i just installed cheyenne and tried to explore it ... i found the examples | 13-Jan-07 10:45 |
| 399 | Maarten | Ah.... those were the days | 13-Jan-07 7:26 |
| 398 | PeterWood | Does this help ? http://www.ross-gill.com/techniques/rsp/ | 13-Jan-07 1:19 |
| 397 | xavier | rebol server pages ? will we have samples of it ? | 12-Jan-07 18:08 |
| 396 | Joe | see related post wrt async dns in the core group. Is the behavior mentioned in the core group possible with Uniserve async dns support ? | 12-Jan-07 11:29 |
| 395 | Will | wops, devcon07 ;-) | 7-Jan-07 1:22 |
| 394 | Will | Pekr: have forwarded decon07 update request. | 7-Jan-07 1:22 |
| 393 | Will | you are right! Cheyenne is the http 1.1 webserver | 6-Jan-07 21:37 |
| 392 | BrianH | I may be mistaken though... | 6-Jan-07 21:36 |
| 391 | BrianH | Uniserve doesn't do session handling, Petr. You are probably thinking of Cheyenne, which is built on Uniserve. | 6-Jan-07 21:35 |
| 390 | Pekr | Will, if you have contact to conference organisers, please urge them to do something with DevCon preparation. Som of us have to plan our plane or bus few months ahead. I would like to see site updated ... | 6-Jan-07 14:24 |
| 389 | Will | I'd say the core is actually stable, have it running with quite some traffic and no problems, there are indeed problems with sessions. Had a sign very recently that let suppose Dock will soon be back, hopefully 8) | 6-Jan-07 14:04 |
| 388 | Robert | Ok, thanks for the info. | 6-Jan-07 9:03 |
| 387 | Pekr | it states stable, but it really is not. Doc, before he left scene for another few months :-), stated something like that he has new reimplemented session handling, which is going to be "soon" released. But don't take it for granted, maybe I misunderstood something. But really - sessions do not work properly ... There is a demo with multiple frames, e.g. Mozilla (but even IE) did not open all boxes, there were some errors or timeouts, dunno ... | 6-Jan-07 8:52 |
| 386 | Pekr | Session is broken, lot's of usefull stuff not released (RPC, rebol-cgi, fast-cgi, PHP) .... | 6-Jan-07 8:50 |
| 385 | Robert | Doc, do you continue to devleop Universe or is it that matured that it's just working? | 6-Jan-07 8:15 |
| 384 | Scot | Ok...thanks. | 4-Oct-06 22:20 |
| 383 | Dockimbel | The MySQL async driver in this archive is an alpha version. It only works with v5+ servers and new passwords format (databases with old passwords for users won't work with this alpha driver). | 3-Oct-06 19:49 |
| 382 | Dockimbel | Hi Scott, my fault, the release archive contains a duplicate HTTP protocol file, so they collide on loading. Just remove the following file : uniserve/protocols/HTTP2.r | 3-Oct-06 19:39 |
| 381 | Scot | Working on something else at the moment, but very interested in the Uniserv implementation of MySQL. | 2-Oct-06 23:17 |
| 380 | Scot | I've tried all the versions with asych...but I haven't probed the pos value yet. | 2-Oct-06 23:16 |
| 379 | Oldes | what version you are using? and what if you probe the pos value? | 2-Oct-06 12:25 |
| 378 | Scot | Need some help...Can't seem to get Uniserv working on my XP laptop. This is my first try...so I don't have enough experience to see what is happening. Do I have the wrong version of core? >> uniserve/boot [uniserve] Async Protocol Admin loaded [uniserve] Async Protocol DNS loaded [uniserve] Async Protocol FastCGI loaded [uniserve] Async Protocol HTTP loaded ** Script Error: change expected series argument of type: series port ** Where: install-plugin ** Near: change pos/2 new >> | 2-Oct-06 2:25 |
| 377 | Terry | Any benchmarks would be helpful as well. | 25-Sep-06 23:31 |
| 376 | Terry | soon i hope too, Nenad | 25-Sep-06 23:30 |
| 375 | Dockimbel | Sure | 23-Sep-06 9:51 |
| 374 | Pekr | Can I handle virtual domains with Cheyenne? | 23-Sep-06 9:50 |
| 373 | Dockimbel | UniServe is a network programming framework. Cheyenne is web server (with lot of features) using UniServe as low layer. | 23-Sep-06 9:31 |
| 372 | Pekr | Cheyenne comes with sources? How is it different to Uniserve? Or is it just Uniserve based? | 23-Sep-06 9:29 |
| 371 | Dockimbel | Terry, with the release of Cheyenne (soon I hope), you'll get a complete working example of encap-fs library usage. | 23-Sep-06 9:15 |
| 370 | Oldes | but the modules are loaded when needed, so you should make some more improvements to make one-file build | 23-Sep-06 7:20 |
| 369 | Oldes | And what exactlu do you want to know, just use #include instead of 'do' and %prebol.r to build it. | 23-Sep-06 7:19 |
| 368 | Terry | Hey Nenad.. Any encapping docs would be great. | 23-Sep-06 1:42 |
| 367 | Will | . | 17-Sep-06 19:25 |
| 366 | Dockimbel | Please find here : http://softinnov.org/tmp/UniServe0919.zip a snapshot version of latest UniServe sources. It fixes some of the issues I've been asked about (UDP support for example). It's a beta version, no updated docs, no samples. ChangeLog in %uni-engine.r file. Any questions ? Ask them here, I'll answer as my available time permits. | 6-Sep-06 21:02 |
| 365 | Dockimbel | It could be quite simple in fact (at least in theory) : 1) Send a first message telling the name and size of the file (unprocessed) to transmit 2) Send the file in parts (done automatically by Uniserve) 3) Catch the 'on-write-chunk event to process the chunk data (compress, encode...) then add a header containing : - size of the chunk - a sequence ID (an incremental counter starting with 1, 0 would mean last chunk) | 4-Sep-06 20:24 |
| 364 | Graham | that would be necessary :) | 4-Sep-06 20:15 |
| 363 | Dockimbel | Btw, this new event is untested yet. I should be able to provide you a small prototype service and client protocol to show you how to use it. | 4-Sep-06 20:14 |
| 362 | Dockimbel | Adding an appropriate header and decoding it on the other end is still up to the programmer. (Same for adding some flags to signal start / end of transmission). | 4-Sep-06 20:13 |
| 361 | Graham | Great. | 4-Sep-06 20:12 |
| 360 | Dockimbel | I've added a new event : 'on-write-chunk to allow modification of the chunks of big files just before they are sent. This can be the hook to implement compression or encryption when sending big files. | 4-Sep-06 20:12 |
| 359 | Graham | new flags on signalling end of file transmission? | 4-Sep-06 19:54 |
| 358 | Graham | Doc, any updates on sending encrypted files ? | 4-Sep-06 19:53 |
| 357 | Oldes | I want do do more with it - this is just a test | 4-Sep-06 19:50 |
| 356 | Dockimbel | Oldes, cool design ! | 4-Sep-06 19:49 |
| 355 | Oldes | At this moment I'm able to connect it event with IRC servers, but I do it know just from home | 4-Sep-06 19:49 |
| 354 | Oldes | Just one - I'm sending it from my computer to the server | 4-Sep-06 19:47 |
| 353 | Graham | bots | 4-Sep-06 19:47 |
| 352 | Oldes | And the people talking now are puppets - they are recitating Plato's Gorgias | 4-Sep-06 19:46 |
| 351 | Graham | yee gods .. .birds attacking me! | 4-Sep-06 19:46 |
| 350 | Oldes | You can move the yellow boxes:-) and all you say is visible here as well - http://www.informacezbrna.cz/ | 4-Sep-06 19:46 |
| 349 | Graham | what are the arrows for? | 4-Sep-06 19:45 |
| 348 | Graham | no one there though | 4-Sep-06 19:43 |
| 347 | Dockimbel | Busy, I am ;-). But there's a new version sitting on my hard drive which could be useful to some people here. | 4-Sep-06 19:43 |
| 346 | Graham | cool. | 4-Sep-06 19:43 |
| 345 | Oldes | I'm using UniServ as a core for my MicroChat - http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/chat.html :-) | 4-Sep-06 19:42 |
| 344 | Graham | Not so busy now? | 4-Sep-06 19:37 |
| 343 | Dockimbel | I have a much more recent version of UniServe almost ready to release, but docs are not updated and some of the protocols are still alpha. But with the current interest in UniServe, I'm thinking about releasing a beta version here this week. | 4-Sep-06 19:37 |
| 342 | Oldes | Why, it's good as it is and who knows how will look ports in R3 | 1-Sep-06 15:10 |
| 341 | Pekr | I thought that concept like that could be built-into rebol by default .... | 1-Sep-06 14:53 |
| 340 | Oldes | Yes, I like it. I already transfered my MicroChat server to Uniserve kernel and Irc bot as well:-) | 1-Sep-06 14:52 |
| 339 | Pekr | how do you feel about Uniserve so far - nice concept, isn't it? | 1-Sep-06 14:50 |
| 338 | Oldes | Found a way - to modify on-received function in the task-master to send the task port with data to the service using on-task-done and than closing the task if needed from the service:-) If there is some other way how it should be done, let me know. | 1-Sep-06 14:48 |
| 337 | Oldes | Hm, it was the hard part of the learning uniserve, but now I know, how to do-task. But the question now is - what if I need to do task once a day, I don't want the launched helper process to be still running in the background. Is there someone who can help? | 1-Sep-06 14:31 |
| 336 | Will | did you try by email? | 1-Sep-06 11:18 |
| 335 | Volker | Is there a good way to contact Doc? | 1-Sep-06 11:13 |
| 334 | Will | well in the release you dl the rsp support is "basic", I used a customized one but now I'm using Dock latest rsp, sorry but you should definitely ask Dock for latest version or wait till he release. | 1-Sep-06 10:49 |
| 333 | MikeL | Thanks Will - I have uniserve running and can serve up static webpages and the sample cgi that Doc provided. How do I allow RSP or ML to be loaded so that a page that uses them does not have to run as CGI and flag .rsp or .rhtml files as handled by RSP. | 1-Sep-06 10:34 |
| 332 | Will | and if you want to test for speed, you can ab (apache benchmark) http://wwd.francobianchi.ch/words.cgi ;-) | 1-Sep-06 10:14 |
| 331 | Will | Hello Name example: <% validate [name -]%> <html> <body> <% either request/var/name [ print [{Hello} request/var/name] ][ print {<form method="POST" action="test.rsp"> <input type="text" name="name"> </form>}] %> </body> </html> | 1-Sep-06 10:02 |
| 330 | Will | Mike, her you can find latest released uniserve and there is also the NTLM: http://softinnov.org/ | 1-Sep-06 9:49 |
| 329 | MikeL | I also want to run Carl's blog.r from Uniserve. | 1-Sep-06 8:56 |
| 328 | Graham | nope. | 1-Sep-06 8:56 |
| 327 | MikeL | Thanks I'll try that ... he hasn't been on AltMe since 05-Aug-2006. For Cheyenne, do you have NTLM (Integrated Windows Authentication)? | 1-Sep-06 8:56 |
| 326 | Graham | but I think it's still in beta test ( extended ! ) | 1-Sep-06 8:50 |
| 325 | Graham | Ask Doc for a copy of Cheyenne ... | 1-Sep-06 8:50 |
| 324 | Graham | I'm using Cheyenne with RSP, and Firebird. | 1-Sep-06 8:49 |
| 323 | MikeL | When I can get that simple part working then I want to add Make-Doc, my-sql-protocol and Andrew's ML dialect as services so I can get some leverage from these. | 1-Sep-06 8:49 |
| 322 | MikeL | Thanks Will. I would like to see how to put together a simple web form application that posts to a Uniserve script and provides an acceptance message. When I looked at Uniserve I couldn't see how this simple thing could be done and how / which services to use. Do you have a "Hello World" level example that follows that post/reply approach? | 1-Sep-06 1:08 |
| 321 | Will | Mike, I started using Apache and rebol as cgi, this is not suited for performances as on every call to the cgi, a new instance of rebol is initialized, run and closed. I thought about using fastcgi, but never came to a working solution. Now I use uniserve as main webserver, here some advantages: -it is fast! On my local machine I get +- 600 req/sec for static pages and a max of 160req/sec for dynamic rsp pages -it is written in rebol, I could easly(less than 10 lines code) add a rewrite engine -child process are persistent, this mean you can keep state of your web applications, implement caching, keep a pool of connection to databases open (in apache + rebol/cgi you'd have to open and close the connection for every request) -it is written by Dock whom I may be the biggest fan ;-) btw I'm running an unreleased version (have bought commercial support) that support http 1.1, stuff like If-Modified etc.. If you have more specific questions, I'll be glad to try and answer. | 31-Aug-06 22:22 |
| 320 | Oldes | I changed this line: if not find ti: third third :in port! [append ti port!] to: if not find ti: first find/tail third :in 'word port! [append ti port!] to be able run uniserv in Rebol/Base | 31-Aug-06 21:28 |
| 319 | Terry | Be sure to add some encap notes too please. | 14-May-06 2:54 |
| 318 | Dockimbel | Not yet, I can only work on Cheyenne and other REBOL projects on my spare time, I'm currently almost full time on a big project for a customer (until end of july). I expect to make a first beta release of Cheyenne before that. | 13-May-06 23:04 |
| 317 | Philippe | Have you planned a target date for a beta of Cheyenne ? | 13-May-06 23:01 |
| 316 | Philippe | Salut Doc, I have sent some informations about Uniserve on http://www.rebolfrance.info/projets/uniserve?s=Uniserve. I.e. the ability for Uniserve to use the lib Magic (O. Auverlot), with a lot of shorcuts to quickly create forms, check boxs, etc. | 13-May-06 22:57 |
| 315 | Louis | If this list doesn't fulfill all your needs, here's the additionnal features planned for the 1.0 release : * RSP: REBOL Server Pages support. * General CGI support (run any CGI script). * Chunk-encoding transferts support (streamed data transferts). * Standard compression methods support: gzip, deflate, bzip2. * Byte-ranges request support (ability to request files in parts and resume broken downloads). * mod-rewrite module for powerful request URL transformations (without the regexp complexity!). * mod-map-url module for direct URL to REBOL functions or objects mapping. * SSL support. * Advanced GUI client for local and remote administration. | 13-May-06 19:04 |
| 314 | Louis | Rebol Server Pages | 13-May-06 19:03 |
| 313 | MichaelB | I guess more like ASP or JSP. | 13-May-06 18:47 |
| 312 | Pekr | RSP? rebservices-like protocol? | 13-May-06 18:36 |
| 311 | Dockimbel | Basically yes, but with the RSP module, it becomes a fast and flexible web application framework ! | 13-May-06 18:26 |
| 310 | Pekr | :-) isn't it just a - webserver? :-) | 13-May-06 16:24 |
| 309 | Dockimbel | I expect that the community will be very enthusiastic about it, so I don't want to disappoint you all ;-). | 13-May-06 16:23 |
| 308 | Dockimbel | I want it to be as good as possible starting from the first release because, it may become a major tool for the REBOL community. | 13-May-06 16:22 |
| 307 | Dockimbel | :-). I could release a new Uniserve version, but there's no much new protocols added yet. Uniserve also deserves some better docs. Cheyenne is still under development, my priority is to finish it asap. I'll release a beta as soon as I have a stable and almost feature-complete version. Cheyenne is meant to be a end-user product, so it needs some polishing and enhancement before giving it to users. | 13-May-06 16:21 |
| 306 | Terry | I second that request | 11-May-06 18:15 |
| 305 | Philippe | Doc, when will you release a beta of Cheyenne and a new version of Uniserve ? | 10-May-06 22:34 |
| 304 | Dockimbel | There's currently some issues on the domain name softinnov.org, please use http://softinnov.net for now to access our web site. | 8-May-06 15:11 |
| 303 | Dockimbel | There were some OS upgrades on this server in mid-april that required to put down the web site. | 8-May-06 15:10 |
| 302 | Terry | (or not) | 11-Apr-06 6:37 |
| 301 | Terry | It was offline.. it's back, and updated too. | 10-Apr-06 21:50 |
| 300 | DideC | Offline or outdated? http://www.softinnov.org works fine here | 10-Apr-06 15:06 |
| 299 | Terry | Nenad, your softinnov.org site has been offline for awhile now. How's the progress on Cheyenne going? | 10-Apr-06 5:11 |
| 298 | Thør | manual resync... | 4-Apr-06 18:18 |
| 297 | Terry | Here's an example.. prototype ( a javascript framework uses prototype.js and that file uses includes to add other JS files.. like this..
<%= include 'ajax.js', 'dom.js', 'form.js', 'event.js', 'position.js' %> the problem seems to be here somewhere? | 5-Feb-06 19:54 |
| 296 | Terry | I did add a.. text/javascript js | 5-Feb-06 19:31 |
| 295 | Terry | mime types seem ok | 5-Feb-06 19:30 |
| 294 | Volker | Mime-tpyes? (just a thought) | 5-Feb-06 10:41 |
| 293 | Terry | Althogh.. it struggling with j<avascript src="" .. > files in the header? If I paste the code, it worsk, but if I SRC= .. it doesn't.. no matter what path I use. | 5-Feb-06 10:38 |
| 292 | Terry | I found it, the paths aren't relative from the page, but from the wwwroot | 5-Feb-06 10:23 |
| 291 | Terry | (hte httpd.r service, that is) | 5-Feb-06 10:20 |
| 290 | Terry | Where ... <link rel="stylesheet" href="the.css" type="text/css" /> works anywhere else, it's not with Uniserve?? | 5-Feb-06 10:20 |
| 289 | Terry | Nenad.. for some reason, Uniserve seems to be struggling with inlcludes.. like CSS files have you noticed this? | 5-Feb-06 10:19 |
| 288 | Terry | with.. "Server error: tcp 553 sorry, that domain is not in my list of allowed rcpthosts" | 5-Feb-06 4:56 |
| 287 | Terry | it then dies | 5-Feb-06 4:55 |
| 286 | Terry | graham, what do I need to do with your smtp service to allow a localhost domain.. getting this.. "waiting 20s as {MYLAPTOPNAME} fails domain rule" | 5-Feb-06 4:55 |
| 285 | Terry | actually, working now.. Vanilla is sooo slow. | 5-Feb-06 4:29 |
| 284 | Terry | Graham, your http://www.compkarori.com/vanilla/display/Smtpd.r doesn't appear to be working? | 5-Feb-06 4:26 |
| 283 | Terry | Another question.. where could I put a piece of code to handle unknown (aka unserviced) ports? Should be able to create a catch-all or a port-analyzer etc... check for scanning or other security issues. | 5-Feb-06 3:27 |
| 282 | Terry | Nenad, do you have an y Task-master examples? | 5-Feb-06 1:11 |
| 281 | Terry | Also, it seems that this stuff is handled by a seperate module (for background processing)? | 5-Feb-06 0:16 |
| 280 | Terry | I see here a new law... the query is exponentially greater than the answer. | 5-Feb-06 0:03 |
| 279 | Terry | Hmm, that's it. | 5-Feb-06 0:01 |
| 278 | Volker | you could try install-service [ set 'testFunk func [it][print it] if that is the problem. then testFunk should be globally. | 4-Feb-06 23:58 |
| 277 | Volker | Not used to uniserv much, but usually such things use contexts for services. so install-service [testFunk: func [it][print it] should be similar to make object![ testFunk: func [it][print it] | 4-Feb-06 23:58 |
| 276 | Terry | For example:
If I place this function just after the "install-service [ " testFunk: func [it][print it] and if at anytime i DO an external script that uses that function, it doesn't work | 4-Feb-06 23:53 |
| 275 | Terry | Ok.. so now I can run the external script by placing waiting till i finsh the external, and get back to the 'on-received' function... but I have a number of functions that I use to process my external script.. Do I need to load those functions with every on-received event??? | 4-Feb-06 23:49 |
| 274 | Terry | That last bit works.. seems the global context functions, such as 'write-client' dont pass to the script that is being DOne | 4-Feb-06 23:42 |
| 273 | Terry | So simply put.. how can I process an incoming message using an external page of code, and be able to respond from that page? I may need to create an "OUTPUT" value (the response) and then use the 'write-client' function once Im back in the service ON-RECEIVED function? | 4-Feb-06 23:26 |
| 272 | Terry | Ok.. i can add external libraries.. just after the install-service [ .. BUT.. to write back to the client, you use "write-client" so if in my processing, but that function wont work.. it's a catch 22. | 4-Feb-06 23:24 |
| 271 | Graham | #include external libraries of code if needed | 4-Feb-06 23:15 |
| 270 | Terry | Seems it relates to this part (from the docs) "Put all the service related code in the service definition. You can include external libraries of code if needed. Everything that's not inside the service definition block will be globally BIND-ed." | 4-Feb-06 23:10 |
| 269 | Graham | if process.r doesn't change, you shouldn't do it anyway. | 4-Feb-06 23:09 |
| 268 | Graham | and change your process.r script to look at the arguments. | 4-Feb-06 23:08 |
| 267 | Graham | do/args %./process.r raw-input | 4-Feb-06 23:07 |