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444Pekrmostly a menu, and texts ... but some texts are on multiple pages, while still in one SWF. There is something like 30 pages, so it might be easiest to do screenshots ....17-Mar 14:48
443OldesThat's probably the easiest way:) It's hard to say as you can have whatever in your files which we don't see... they can be movies for example:)17-Mar 14:45
442PekrBut maybe I will just click thru the presentation, do screenshots manually, put them into word or powerpoint file, and turn it into pdf, dunno ...17-Mar 14:26
441PekrOur idea was to somehow get it at least printed, scanned, and put it into PDF (their requirement).17-Mar 14:25
440PekrSorry for partly missuing this channel, although you might have some answer for me. One regulatory company asked us to put online our company's annual report. Unfortunately, it is some older years, which are missing - 2005/6. And all I have is nicely done annual report in Flash. It is an .exe. But - each page is in separte subdir, where is plenty of .SWF files. I am looking into method of converting it into PDF, or something like that :-)17-Mar 14:24
439RodVery nice Oldes, other than the one undefined question blip it played very nicely and looked great.1-Mar 16:02
438RodAfter clicking one of the undefined answers it then gave normal question/answers1-Mar 15:52
437RodOn stage 6 the first question bubble was undefined for the question and all the answers?1-Mar 15:51
436Anton(I think it does actually. Quite a nice game, Questionaut)1-Mar 15:15
435AntonNot quite enough time to read the answers. Maybe clicking should shorten it.1-Mar 14:48
434Antonbug: stage 4, when the platform rises, the key that should be sitting on it remains unmoved (floating in mid-air).1-Mar 14:43
433Anton(from Links, OK figured it out.)1-Mar 14:37
432AntonAh yes I know that one.26-Feb 4:58
431OldesSothink25-Feb 21:21
430Anton:) And what is the name of that SWF decompiler ?25-Feb 12:52
429OldesI don't know, I don't care.25-Feb 10:48
428AntonWell, that's very interesting... Do you consider that a deficiency of the SWF decompiler ?25-Feb 10:35
427OldesThe data are at this moment from Yahoo maps... which story do you want? It should be paraglide contest visiualisation.. people jump from a hill with GPS and have to fly thru defined points. There is no pure rebol version.. I use rebol to parse the GPS data and convert them to precompiled SWF data.. also I use Rebol to compile the main file. Parts of the Rebol code is in google-maps chat as I was discovering the system from Rebol as well. And when you talk about hiding... as I'm using some non standard ways how to compile loops in my dialect, the best SWF decompiler I now is not able to decompile it correctly:)25-Feb 8:39
426AntonHmm... Oldes' way of hiding his source ! ;)25-Feb 7:56
425ReichartAnd Oldes, where is the script?24-Feb 16:54
424ReichartWhat is the story behind this?23-Feb 20:12
423ReichartWhere is the map data coming from?23-Feb 20:12
422james_nakVery cool.22-Feb 18:55
421AntonIs there a pure rebol version of xsider ?22-Feb 12:18
420Anton(I just looked at xsider, not the other ones yet.)22-Feb 12:12
419AntonVery nice Oldes ! Excellent work.22-Feb 12:08
418PekrOldes - fantastic!22-Feb 10:14
417Oldesof course real data:)22-Feb 8:29
416GeomolYes, and funny! :-) Is it real data being used?21-Feb 21:46
415Grahamvery impressive oldes21-Feb 21:37
414OldesIt's still far to be finished, but I cannot help myself - paragliding contest visualisation made in Rebol/Flash dialect - http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/xsider/21-Feb 21:03
413OldesFor GIF files the compiler tries to use build in Rebol load function which will fail in Core - I would need LZW decompressor first to support it.4-Jan 16:26
412Oldes(JPG support is still available - this was working in Core before as JPG are different type of images in SWF structure where is not required almost any change for embedding them)4-Jan 16:25
411OldesThe ICO support is just an experimental as I need to use it for something specific.4-Jan 16:13
410OldesRebol/Flash dialect updated http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r Added support for loading ICO, BMP and PNG images without need to use Rebol/View. It's possible that some types of these images will not be loaded correctly yet, as I didn't tested all possibilities. The 'KEY word is not supported now with ImageCore loader, use PNG instead if you want transparent images. Also all images are stored as DefineBitsLossless2 type (with alpha).

Also it's written just in Rebol - I would like to optimize it in RebCode in the future.

4-Jan 16:11
409Oldes(it a memory game - pexeso) any other question? :)24-Dec 20:01
408Oldeshttp://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/mx-imagestream24-Dec 19:58
407GiuseppeC?24-Dec 19:57
406OldesImageStream in a real life usage: http://www.bezruci.cz/pf200823-Dec 21:50
405james_nakExcellent as usual.21-Dec 16:07
404OldesIt's the script from Core chat here21-Dec 15:01
403OldesI also use script which goes thru dir sctructure and prepares XML file with image sizes which is used inside the swf21-Dec 15:00
402OldesThey looks like the files in examples... here is for example the clip loader: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/gui/GUI_ClipHandler.rswf21-Dec 14:59
401BrockOldes, I;d like to see what the REbol file looks like that generates the site... do you have some examples you can share?21-Dec 13:14
400Willyea, I'd like to know as well.. ;-)20-Dec 22:18
399GrahamWhat are your rates for doing websites oldes ? :)20-Dec 20:42
398Oldesthe swf file has 60kB (including all text data and 2 fonts) Images are loaded as external files.20-Dec 16:34
397Oldesand here is a simple site I did with this version of Rebol/Flash dialect http://dwg.cz/atelier/20-Dec 16:32
396OldesI did some compilers speed optimizations = http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r20-Dec 16:31
395WillI was speaking more about spreading rebol not really relate to your dialect, AVI is just a codec, quicktime support about 200 codecs, even flash (but version 4 only, and they disabled it as default with latest upgrade for security reasons..many quictime content broke..) and it as support for wired scripting, only that is hasnt evolved int the last 5 years.. too bad18-Nov 23:10
394OldesI don't need millions people to use something what I do... and to be honest.. I don't prefere quicktime.. but I would like to look how the format differs from avi one day18-Nov 23:05
393Willquicktime is already everywhere , it only lacks a real scripting language, where rebol would fit very very well !18-Nov 23:03
392Willyes that would be better, but that idea is just because it would be easier to have it installed on millions computers.. having people install rebol web plugin will take time to spread18-Nov 23:02
391Willand with simple version upgrade, million of people get rebol power ready to use in a way that will make them Huuu..WOAA18-Nov 23:01
390OldesAnd wouldn't it be better to have quicktime and flash embedded in Rebol?18-Nov 23:00
389WillI have this idea that the second more installed browser plugin is quicktime, it once had wired actions, etc, but then apple went ipod adn moveis.. There was a company totallyhip.com wich did LiveStage to build wired movies, they are now about dead, quicktime still has a whole lot od codecs and I dream that RT will work with apple , embed rebol in quicktime plugin or as a codec so that we can program stuff in rebol with aac and mpeg4... 8)18-Nov 22:59
388OldesI don't want just to take something I don't understand how it works18-Nov 22:57
387OldesI like to learn myself18-Nov 22:57
386OldesBut it's all about learning... at least for me18-Nov 22:56
385OldesTerry was arguing here, that he can make guis with flex in a few minutes:)18-Nov 22:56
384WillI have big hopes in R3, and not really looking into Flex, I'm rebol afficionado! althought some points Tarry made are true, like in php you can find about everything ready, but doing it in rebol is more about learning18-Nov 22:56
383Willwhat you mean like Terry?18-Nov 22:54
382Oldesif you are like terry.. you sould use flex. You have to know actionscript anyway, if you want to use my dialect. The function's names has to be same18-Nov 22:54
381WillYea, I've opened many time the flash IDE but it never lasted more then 5 minutes..18-Nov 22:53
380OldesLook... I'm not making a factory standard like an Adobe... I'm not factory..18-Nov 22:52
379WillYour dialect is something that could drive lots of flash guys to look more in Rebol !18-Nov 22:52
378WillHopefully we get a R3 with rebcode not too far in the near future ;-)18-Nov 22:51
377OldesThe image loading code part is suitable for rebcode imho... I'm using rebolversion with rebcode to create pixel fonts.18-Nov 22:50
376Will..now I'll have to learn teh dialect.. humm18-Nov 22:50
375WillOk really great, thank you Oldes!18-Nov 22:50
374Willfins=find18-Nov 22:49
373OldesI can make a core version probably. Not today.18-Nov 22:49
372WillI was only trying to fins a solution to run examples with /core 8)18-Nov 22:49
371WillIt's impressively fast!! 8)18-Nov 22:49
370OldesI think that it's better to have the images embedded. Whu do you want to stress server to provide so many reqyest like to get image which has 123 bytes?18-Nov 22:49
369Willso I can run examples with embedded images, but if you are going to make it run in core that would be great and I'll have no need for that18-Nov 22:48
368Oldeswhy do you want to change it in runtime?18-Nov 22:47
367Oldesthis places the image during compilation18-Nov 22:46
366Willas an exampe, in GUI_Arrows.swf there is this line: bitmaps images [alpha %gui/img/arrows.png] with what can I replace it?18-Nov 22:46
365OldesIf you want to change it from SWF itself, just use loadMovie18-Nov 22:44
364Oldesah.. you need change image from swf itself18-Nov 22:43
363Willthis arrow is fine, but I would need an example how to change examples where there are images that get embedded to keep them outise and load at runtime18-Nov 22:43
362Oldesthe compiler cou use precompiled image data which are here read/binary http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/gui/img/arrows.png.3618-Nov 22:43
361WillThat would be grat!18-Nov 22:42
360OldesDo you want to use this arrow or different?18-Nov 22:41
359OldesAs I said I can make image loader which don't use view functions18-Nov 22:41
358Willwho = How18-Nov 22:40
357Willbecause I use core which has no image support, I'd like to not embed the images, but have them loaded at tuntime, who would I do this?18-Nov 22:39
356Oldesif you want use different image, just change the path. Now it uses this image http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/gui/img/arrows.png18-Nov 22:37
355Willok found the tracer.rswf here http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/includes/tracer.rswf18-Nov 18:23
354WillOldes, how can I keep images external from the generated flash, for example this one http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/gui/GUI_Arrows.rswf ? thx!18-Nov 18:13
353Willcan someone with a camand flash installed, confirm if this example work please? http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/mx-webcam18-Nov 17:19
352WillWOW 8)18-Nov 17:06
351WillOldes, where can I find the tracer.swf file that is included in this example? http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/examples/swf8/swf8-iconlist.rswf18-Nov 17:01
350WillI've putted together the missing functions in /core 2.7.5, taken from /view in the swf-in-core.r file, try this: move to the appropriate directory, then: do http://reboot.ch/rebol/swf/swf-on-core.r make-swf/save/html http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/examples/swf8/swf8-convolution1.rswf18-Nov 16:58
349ReViewerKeep on your project Oldes! That's a very good one. As Pekr mentioned, made with Rebol, run with Adobe. That means Rebol may not even need a plugin eventually. And for the ones who think alternative solutions are not for them, ask yourself what you're doing here! You're at the wrong place! Go to MacDo and Pizza Hut, install Vista and don't forget to buy an iPhone!18-Nov 16:49
348WillCOOOL !! Got swf8-convolution1.swf building on /core (OSX) ! How great this is 8) thanks Oldes!18-Nov 16:46
347OldesThere should be also some change in image loader, but this could be done in core way anyway... this part of code is pretty old... 2002 or something like that18-Nov 9:58
346Oldeswhat I'm not sure is how struct! is supported in core18-Nov 9:57
345Oldesread-thru can be in core without problems18-Nov 9:56
344Oldesthere should not be zlib anymore.. it was used for decompress anyway.18-Nov 9:56
343PeterWoodThe windows dll called by RWSF is Zlib18-Nov 8:22
342PeterWoodread-thru is certainly not in core 2.6.2.18-Nov 8:22
341WillThanks for the info Peter! and read-thru is only in /view right?17-Nov 16:28
340PeterWoodWill: When I tried to load the latest version of RWSF under Mac OS X it failed as it calls a Windows DLL.17-Nov 16:02
339WillOldes: me I ask? 8)17-Nov 15:24
338WillPeterWood: Right, as posted in OSX group /view doesn't work in 10.5/intel17-Nov 15:24
337PeterWoodWill: I'm guessing that you meant a version running with /core under OS X.17-Nov 11:56
336Oldeswith some modifications yes... I'm not using it with Core17-Nov 11:27
335WillOldes, would it be possible to have a version running with /core ?17-Nov 5:10
334amacleodHost Environment - Open: The environment defines an operating system abstraction layer (OSAL) that can be ported to a wide range of systems, including desktop systems, set-top boxes, mobile devices, and cell phones. This approach gives developers a way to run and improve REBOL on their specific target platforms. -from same document17-Nov 3:40
333DanielSzto Vent?17-Nov 3:40
332Steevein sense that we should move from Rebol/flash dialect thread17-Nov 3:40
331amacleodRuntime Core - Closed: This is the OS independent kernel that provides standard REBOL capabilities across all systems and devices. It is this component that makes REBOL operate identically on Windows, OSX, Linux, BSD, Sony, Nokia, Nintendo, and other systems. -from the above document.17-Nov 3:39
330DanielSzIn what sense?17-Nov 3:39
329Steeveby the way, it's not the good place for such comments17-Nov 3:38
328DanielSz:)17-Nov 3:37
327DanielSzThe fact it's small and courageous. You side with the losers.17-Nov 3:37
326Steeveyeah, we are cool guys17-Nov 3:37
325DanielSzAnother aspect I like about Rebol is the community.17-Nov 3:37
324Steevei see nothing17-Nov 3:36
323Steevebut what else ?17-Nov 3:36
322Steeveyeah, a little17-Nov 3:36
321DanielSzAltme? You must be kidding.17-Nov 3:36
320DanielSzTo me, the killer aspect of Rebol is the language design. It's just very, very expressive.17-Nov 3:35
319amacleodA brief description of R# components and how the "hybrid-open-source model" will work: http://www.rebol.com/docs3/architecture.html17-Nov 3:35
318SteeveAtlme is that one ? not sure17-Nov 3:35
317Steeveit's not the only point, i'm wondering why have no killer apps17-Nov 3:34
316DanielSzEither you can compile from source, or you can't. You don't have to merit it by showing how eager you are, or to mark points in other ways.17-Nov 3:31
315Steeveor not17-Nov 3:30
314amacleodI think RT realize they are not going to make money on hte software but on services revolving around the product17-Nov 3:30
313Steevebut we need an IDE for that purpose17-Nov 3:30
312Steevewith frameworks conception, you can17-Nov 3:29
311DanielSzThe main problem of Rebol is the business model. I've seen RT struggle with this since the first versions, I don't have a solution, I don't know how you make money with open source, but some people do.17-Nov 3:29
310SteeveI think that if your really motivated, RT let you port Rebol on alien platforms17-Nov 3:27
309Steeveyeah , they steal his idea ;-)17-Nov 3:26
308DanielSzTo make a distribution, you need to be able to do both.17-Nov 3:25
307DanielSzIt's like on linux, compiling kernel modules vs. compiling the kernel itself.17-Nov 3:25
306amacleodAs far as I understand it R3 will allow you to port to any platform or OS. I'm sure there is an exlanation of how this is to be done.17-Nov 3:25
305amacleodin fact Carl supposedly spoke with the CEO of QNX shorly before they made that anousment17-Nov 3:23
304DanielSzParts. That's the whole point. That means I won't be able to port it on other platforms, because I need the source of the whole thing. (I'll be happy to be proven wrong).17-Nov 3:22
303amacleodvery similar17-Nov 3:22
302Steevelike QNX, same model17-Nov 3:22
301amacleodRT will have the main "kernal" closed and its this part that RT will develop other parts are left to the community to build17-Nov 3:22
300amacleodParts of R3 will be open giving the abilty to port17-Nov 3:21
299DanielSzIf I could port it myself, then that would mean RT is going open soure. Why haven't we heard the news?17-Nov 3:20
298amacleodYour other complaints are to be addressed with R3. You want to run it on a tablet, great, you will be able to port it yourself.17-Nov 3:14
297amacleodflash is on zero browsers until installed...I've set up machines at work for guys in the firehouse to use. Every computer there gathers so much adware/spyware/viruses that I can never keep up cleaning them. I've had to re-install windows so many times and each time I have to re-install the latest flash player. I resorted to setting up puppy linux and running off a bootable cd..(with the typical complaints about it not being windows) Anyway...rebol plug-in is easire to download than flash so what's the bigdeal. I install active-x controls all the time when I find a site that interests me and needs the control.17-Nov 3:10
296DanielSzIf I can throw my two cents here. Terry is right to complain, because you can feel he cares, it's not destructive criticism. Pekr is saying he's a realist, but to me he sounds more like a dreamer (no offense).Flash is a Virtual Machine that lives in the browser. Rebol is a VM that lives on several OSes. Flash VM is present on 99% of the browsers. Rebol VM is not present on browsers (plugin doesn't count because last time I tried it wouldn't install, and last version is more than a year old), and it is present on OSes of a small number of creative developers and hobbyists. If I had to develop a commercial app for the web, Flash and Flex give me extensive documentation, and a whole framework. Rebol can't compete with Adobe, and should not. Last week, I developed a GUI in Rebol and Rebgui that would have taken me four times longer in any other graphical toolkit, and I had a knack at it. But this app is for internal use. Rebol is a great language, and I would like to see it evolve as a computer language, not as a throw it all in kind of gizmo. It should go Open Source, because RT doesn't have the means to provide versions for all platforms. Where is the rebol for NetBSD? Last version is 2001. If RT hasn't the resources, let the developers do it. I want to run rebol on an internet tablet. I had wanted to run rebol on a palm (not anymore because Palm is deas, sort of). But the Nokia tablet run debian linux. There is no reason for the unabailability of rebol. It is just a matter of building it and packaging it. Who has the time for this? Plenty of people, they're just not at RT, because there people are busy with more important things (like developing the product).17-Nov 3:01
295james_nakCan't we just all get along and keep Oldes cranking along with his examples? : ) You guys are all great.16-Nov 22:42
294TerryMmm... Rebol mash.. yum.16-Nov 21:46
293TerryI hope it works great.. and I hope the plugin gets fixed properly... then I'll mash it in with all the rest.16-Nov 21:46
292PekrYes, actually we could include most of the guys here ;-)16-Nov 21:42
291BrockI think Terry should get a sneak peak. He appears to be, from the work he publicly shares with us, one of the most diverse Rebolers in the group. I would think his input would be of value. That's all I will say as well ;-)16-Nov 21:40
290Henrik"VID3 will never compete with this.. ever." <-- well.. you haven't seen VID3. :-) That's all, I'll say for now.16-Nov 21:38
289Pekramacleod - nice app. At least link works here ...16-Nov 21:31
288TerryThis is Petr's head -> O This is Petr's head in san -> :::O:::16-Nov 21:29
287amacleodPekr, what are you showing on that site: app.jsp16-Nov 21:28
286PekrPHP, gee - what does have php in common with all that?16-Nov 21:26
285PekrTerry, you are completly wrong here. What is so special about it? Simply nothing. Some of that stuff is slow as molasses.16-Nov 21:25
284TerryDon't want to spam Oldes site here, but VID3 will never compete with this.. ever. Rebols needs to get their head out of the sand. Not only can Rebol not compete now, the likes of Adobe, Google (as in Gears), Javascript, PHP etc etc are accelerating away faster than the galaxies.16-Nov 21:23
283Pekrhttp://www.flauntr.com/effectsstudio/assets/app.jsp16-Nov 21:22
282PekrI hope VID3 is just the same, just faster :-)16-Nov 21:19
281PekrNice!16-Nov 21:19
280TerryMore flex skins here

http://www.scalenine.com/

16-Nov 21:11
279TerryWell, creating a swf with a single checkbox is rather impractical... but all the components can be skinned using CSS (also cool).. so you can build things like this... http://scalenine.com/themes/wmp11/wmp11.html or this http://fleksray.org/skins/edding/Edding.html16-Nov 21:07
278Oldesexample above updated with external iconset loader and with another new style: Menu16-Nov 16:42
277OldesIf I would like to use Flash components, I would do it. It's not difficult at all. You just have to export all the components into SWF file (more than 250kB) which I can import using my import-swf keyword in the dialect and that's it... than I could just place imported classes. But I don't want to do it. I would rather use my own. Yes... it's more difficult in the begining, but the more freedom I have when I want to do it how I like it to be.16-Nov 14:40
276OldesNever mind.. version 2.12.0 http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r new example: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-iconlist16-Nov 14:22
275Oldesand your example: The server at atom.thruhere.net is taking too long to respond.16-Nov 14:21
274OldesI don't have MXML dialect and don't like MXML and don't like Flash default components... sorry, but If I want a chackbox. I really don't need 168kB of compressed SWF code.16-Nov 14:21
273PekrI downloaded Air few months ago. You would not want to see its dialog box - tottally twisted sizes of UI elements. They have to learn not to use native Windows elements, yet do it right. VID3 can outshine it with VID. Or - Oldes will integrate it, that will be even better :-) You code in REBOL, run in Adobe ;-)16-Nov 12:30
272PekrTerry - REBOL3 does that next to Adobe. In that area, there is no other competition for us. In fact - Adobe copies old ideas of View.16-Nov 12:28
271Terrymoving this to Vent16-Nov 11:48
270TerryAn embeded webkit browser (aka Safari)... when is Rebol doing that?16-Nov 11:48
269Terryer.. one more.. "At a high level, Adobe AIR accomplishes this by taking the world-class WebKit browser engine (most notably used in Safari), and wrapping it alongside Flash and PDF technologies, as a cohesive desktop runtime."16-Nov 11:47
268TerryOk.. enough spamming here ;)16-Nov 11:40
267TerryAdobe AIR beta provides additional features to enhance operating system integration:

* Background applications * System tray icon (Windows) / Dock bar bounce (Mac OS X) notification * Default windows menus * Z-order control for native windows * Bitmap drag-and-drop support * Customization of program folder entry * New Mac and Windows install location

16-Nov 11:40
266Terry"The Flex framework is a free, open source development framework for quickly building RIAs. These RIAs can run on Adobe Flash Player runtime in the browser or Adobe AIR can be used to deliver them to the desktop. The Flex 3 SDK beta includes all of the required tools from the Adobe AIR SDK."16-Nov 11:34
265TerryUsing Adobe Air, Flex code doubles as a desktop app as well, complete with it's own SQLite DB.16-Nov 11:30
264TerryI smell a Kommonwealth Flex IDE by the middle of next week ;)16-Nov 11:24
263Terry.. becomes this..

http://atom.thruhere.net/delme.mxml

16-Nov 11:17
262TerryTo give you an example.. this.. <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> <mx:Application xmlns:mx="http://www.adobe.com/2006/mxml" layout="absolute"> <mx:Panel title="My Application" width="200" height="300" x="0" y="0"> <mx:Label text="Welcome to Flex!" mouseDownEffect="WipeRight" height="45"/>

</mx:Panel> <mx:PopUpButton x="483" y="20" label="PopUpButton"/> <mx:Accordion x="441" y="50" width="200" height="200"> <mx:Canvas label="Accordion Pane 1" width="100%" height="100%"> </mx:Canvas> <mx:Canvas label="asdf" width="100%" height="100%"> </mx:Canvas> <mx:Canvas label="asdf" width="100%" height="100%"> </mx:Canvas> <mx:Canvas label="adsf" width="100%" height="100%"> </mx:Canvas> </mx:Accordion> <mx:CheckBox x="441" y="258" label="Checkbox"/> <mx:DateChooser x="238.5" y="31"/>

</mx:Application>

16-Nov 11:16
261TerryActually . .. that's not cool at all.

What's REALLY cool is the new adobe flex plugin for Apache... hand Apache some mxml, and it generates the .swf automatically .. Wow.

16-Nov 11:14
260TerryUsing rebol to call mxmlc.exe and deliver it some Rebol generated xml gives you a Flash 9 .swf file all set to go.. kinda cool.16-Nov 10:21
259TerryOldes, do you have a MXML dialect?16-Nov 9:23
258james_nakThanks Henrik, I've often wondered how to approach that.14-Nov 20:29
257Henrikany [value? 'something something: defaultValue]14-Nov 14:45
256Oldesanyway... I would rather use: UNLESS instead of IF NOT14-Nov 12:08
255OldesThat would lead into same bytecode. I was thinking about something else... something like: set-if-undefined something defaultValue but cannot find name for it. But because it's usually inside function, maybe I could add default value settings inside fhe func definition block. But I'm not sure now if I need it so much.14-Nov 12:00
254Pekrif not value? something [something: default-value]14-Nov 11:54
253OldesBut maybe it's not so useful.14-Nov 11:41
252OldesI have a question... I use this code patern quite often now: if something = undefined [something: defaultValue] Don't you know some better way how to write it?14-Nov 11:35
251james_nakOldes, yes, I did figure out that it works perfectly under 6 and kinda under 8. That took a while until I noticed that your slideshow was created under 6. Thanks.5-Nov 2:52
250Oldeson server it should not be a problem4-Nov 20:36
249OldesMake sure you are not in folder with Always deny settings4-Nov 20:35
248OldesJust had to add folder with made swf file to allowed locations here: http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager04a.html4-Nov 20:34
247Oldesrebol [ type: 6 file: %test.swf background: 0.0.0 size: 260x185 ] doAction [getURL("http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/" "_self") ] showFrame end4-Nov 20:33
246Oldesthis is working here:4-Nov 20:33
245james_nakActually, it had something to do with the keyword "_self" ...it didn't like it. Now all I have to do is figure out where to attach the code to. Thanks.4-Nov 16:35
244james_nakOldes, is there something special about the getURL command. I have a function in "doAction" and it clearly gets to it as the cmsg is displayed, but I can't get it to actually go to another URL. My flash settings are good because your "horse" link works. Any ideas? Thanks,4-Nov 16:22
243VladimirGreat job Oldes! I'm more then impressed.... :)26-Oct 20:56
242GreggVery cool Oldes!26-Oct 17:55
241OldesImageStream26-Oct 13:18
240OldesVersion 2.11.0 - Improved ImportStream command, new example here: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-bbpositioner26-Oct 13:16
239james_nakJust keep up the good work Oldes.26-Oct 1:37
238OldesIt is possible to create drag'n'drop editor in the dialect as well.. but first I have other goals. And maybe one day you will be able to create layout from Rebol VID too.26-Oct 0:41
237TerryI can see the potential.. just thinking how difficult it would be to create complex layouts.. as opposed to just drag 'n drop with Flash IDE26-Oct 0:00
236Oldesand one more reason - to hack a default Flash gui components is for me much more difficult than make my own from scratch25-Oct 22:57
235OldesAnd I'm not limited with restrictions which you have when you use includes from external files - I have one file at the end.25-Oct 22:45
234OldesAnd I have Import-swf command in the dialect (not documented yet as I still change it a little bit). I'm using it to include large animations made in IDE. As I have a caching mechanism already, I can include it in my dialect and control it in miliseconds, don't have to wait many seconds to compile all the animation in the IDE every time when I change a bit of a code.25-Oct 22:43
233Oldesit would be less, but the comments are not compressed:)25-Oct 22:38
232OldesI would like to see you how you create the swf from above in Flash IDE... I don't say that IDE is bad... I just need something else sometimes... and it's fun for me:) And I'm sure I don't want to write apps in MXML.. It's not funny at all. Anyway... making MXML output would be much more easier than producing SWF files directly. Anyway... I have Flex as well.. it has 196MB. My dialect has 95kB25-Oct 22:37
231TerryOldes.. i think your work is great, but where's the advantage over using a Flash IDE?25-Oct 22:32
230OldesVersion 2.10.0 - Now with new command ImageStream which creates Sprite with sequence of images on each frame Usage example is here: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/mx-imagestream (more will be soon)25-Oct 22:05
229Henrik"good Rebolers don't wait" ... well said. There's a lot of juice left in R2. I'll personally be using it at least for 12-18 months more for commercial projects. Full time.25-Oct 20:48
228Oldes"Rebolers are sick of waiting.".... good Rebolers don't wait. At least I have so many R2 scripts which I would like to improve... I really don't have to wait for R3.. with R3 I will be able to do other optimizations but these are not necessary for the functionality.25-Oct 9:45
227SteeveThere is virtually no new scripts posted on rebol.org, it is a sign that everyone expects R325-Oct 0:34
226Steeveit's my life25-Oct 0:32
225ReViewerI guess we don't really care for now as R3 is not yet out, in the meantime Oldes probably needs this flash UI now - btw, I'm glad he is not waiting for R3, looks like too many people are waiting this event and don't start any project.. but that's another discussion! not here!25-Oct 0:32
224Terrythe mini dialect is cool Oldes.. but how will it fit in with R3?24-Oct 21:11
223ReViewerWow! That's really great!24-Oct 20:40
222OldesVersion 2.9.0 ... now with Calendar GUI and fixed one nasty bug in 'IF compilation after 'EITHER rule http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-layout-calendar24-Oct 8:59
221OldesVersion 2.8.0 available.... - Updated layouter (now with new 'Field, 'Password and 'Area GUIs)

http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_2.8.0.r

New example script: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-layout-fields

19-Oct 18:03
220OldesVersion 2.7.0 available.... - Fixed bug import-swf (while importing swf file with ExportAssets tag) - Updated layouter (now with new 'Text, 'Scroller, 'ClipHandler and 'ScrollPane GUIs)

http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_2.7.0.r

New example script with used ScrollPane is here: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-scrollpane

17-Oct 23:21
219btiffinWicked cool Oldes!10-Oct 16:48
218PekrNice, we can later go for full VID translator :-)10-Oct 16:38
217OldesVersion 2.6.0 available.... now with first version of LAYOUT... (only buttons available now) http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-layout-buttons10-Oct 16:29
216Oldesand one more example how to extend existing class to make a new one: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-draggablecliphandler8-Oct 15:51
215OldesRebol/Flash dialect (RSWF) version 2.5.0 is available! compressed: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r (89kB) uncompressed: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_2.5.0.r (331kB) as colorized HTML: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_2.5.0.html (885kB)

What's new: - New swf-parser included which replaces old exam-swf function (useful for importing foreign SWF files) - Added implementation of Class definitions for SWF versions 6 and higher (I have to create some examples) - Added new 'trace function into actions (which can be use to compile swf files with or without trace calls easily) - 'require and 'include now accepts block of files or urls (I should modify my rswf code colorizer to show included files as well)

Here is also new example how to include first of GUI elements: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/example/swf8-cliphandler In the future I would like to create something like mini Layout dialect which will be used for better positioning of the new GUIs I'm working on.

8-Oct 15:20
214Oldes(two)16-Sep 14:30
213OldesThe main reason I started with this rewriting is to better support foreign SWF file importing. So you will be for example able to join to SWF files into one.16-Sep 14:30
212OldesYesterday I started rewriting swf-parser, because the current one is from year 2002 and is full of nasty hacks and bad approaches. I already have the main part of the new one so I will soon upload new version of my dialect which will include it:-)16-Sep 14:26
211ReViewerI'm glad Oldes still works on this Flash project, I'm sure I'll use it in a near future to create cool photo templates :-)14-Sep 3:03
210ChrisPetr: It's been a goal of mine to find a place for Rebol/Flash within QM.13-Sep 15:52
209james_nakThanks Oldes. It is exciting to know you are still working on this.13-Sep 15:13
208Oldes- missing files uploaded -13-Sep 14:51
207Oldesit will be just problem with automatic upload because the source files are missing as well:/13-Sep 13:48
206Oldeshm, they are working here but not on the web.. will have to check it13-Sep 13:43
205DanielSzYou can code and compile on all platforms. If you want the official Builder (based on Eclipse, or a an Eclipse plug-in), then you're tied to Windows or the Mac.13-Sep 13:42
204OldesI know... and I can for example include compiled actionscript using the compiler with SDK. Anyway.. maybe I should check more carefully. Some scripts seems not to be working, so there is probably still something wrong with my compiler.13-Sep 13:41
203DanielSzOldes: many developers don't like to code in the Flash visual IDE, like you, that's why Adobe came up with Flex. The good news is that the SDK is open source.13-Sep 13:32
202DanielSzOldes' dialect is something I always wanted to study, but never managed. Adobe's products are very interesting as well to study, so I delved more time in learning actionscript directly. Next on my list is Flex. But Oldes' dialect is a feat on itself.13-Sep 13:30
201Oldesfor example now.. I've found, that there is one tag I was not aware of - 35 ( DefineBitsJPEG3 ) which is JPG compressed image with additional alpha channel.13-Sep 11:58
200WillThank you Oldes! I really would like to learn using your dialect! I hate Adobe IDE as well ;-)13-Sep 11:55
199OldesAnd it's always good to know, how something internally works. That's what I'm doing - learning.13-Sep 11:50
198OldesI would like to create something like a rebol/flash vid in a future. and what I can say is, that I don't like the visual IDE too much for coding. All the actions on different frames and in different sprites.13-Sep 11:37
197PekrI did not want to offend you. I never worked with Flash, so my question was just curiousity, if creating Flash stuff that way could be usefull outside REBOL community, or would 99% ppl prefer visual IDE for such purpose?13-Sep 11:25
196OldesI find it useful and that's enough.13-Sep 11:24
195PekrOldes - what is the real purpose of your dialect? Is it just for you, who likes REBOL coding? I mean - do you think that eventual Flash "programmer" could find such way of creating Flash stuff useful?13-Sep 11:22
194Oldes>> rswf/parse-ActionRecord compile-actions [a: 1 + 2 + b] aPush ["a" 1 2] aAdd2 #{47} aPush ["b"] aGetVariable #{1C} aAdd2 #{47} aSetVariable #{1D}13-Sep 9:50
193OldesAnyway.. the main reason to rewrite the actions parser was, that everything was hardcoded, now it first translates actions into instructions, which are compiled on second pass... so it's now possible to better dubug the compilers results... for example:

do http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_latest.r >> acompiler/translate [a: 1 + 2 + b] == [["a" 1 2 aAdd "b" aGetVariable aAdd aSetVariable]] >> compile-actions [a: 1 + 2 + b] == #{960D0000610007010000000702000000479603000062001C471D}

13-Sep 9:48
192Oldes(ok, you can use c# to create silverlight apps, but anyway... I don't believe, it will took off soon)13-Sep 9:35
191OldesI still have a lot of things to imrove on my Flash compiler.. I don't want to play with some XML toy which can need ages to be available on so many computers as Flash is now13-Sep 9:30
190GrahamIsn't that the MS version flash ?13-Sep 9:27
189Oldeswhat's with silverlight?13-Sep 9:26
188Oldesthere is still a lot of things to do (for example usage of Func2 action tag is not finished yet, but this is the version of the dialect I used to compile the flash site above and I was also able to compile all the old examples (except one) Some of them with a little code changes.13-Sep 9:26
187GrahamWhat about silverlight ? :)13-Sep 9:25
186Oldesuncompressed version of the dialect is here: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/rswf_2.0.0.r13-Sep 9:24
185OldesNew version (2.0.0) of Rebol/Flash dialect (RSWF) is available here: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/ (the page was down, but now running again)13-Sep 9:23
184CyphreOn photos: It is always amazing to see how all the 'mode trends' & 'art' are recycling. :)16-Jun-07 23:10
183james_nakExcellent.8-Jun-07 21:45
182?Oops, sory, I guess we should be admiring the code, not the photos LOL8-Jun-07 17:54
181?Interesting........................there is a look to photos taken in Europe (mostly East Europe) which is really noticeable in these photos.

Like someone set up one very big light, and had 10 minutes to shoot everything…very odd. They did this in America about 30 years ago.

8-Jun-07 17:54
180ChrisI like the way the pictures rearrange when you resize the window...8-Jun-07 15:22
179PekrNice one ...8-Jun-07 11:49
178OldesNew site made in Rebol/Flash dialect http://www.miss3.cz/ (still requires some improvements)8-Jun-07 11:32
177Thørinitial sync...2-Apr-06 17:08
176james_nakNow, Oldes, when are we going to see how you do all that magic for the websites? :^ )22-Mar-06 23:17
175james_nakVery cool.22-Mar-06 22:59
174PaulDitto!22-Mar-06 18:15
173Maximvery nice!22-Mar-06 18:15
172OldesNew site made in Rebol/Flash dialect: http://bonboniere.miss3.cz/22-Mar-06 18:10
171OldesHm, ActionScript 3.0 has new datatype - unsigned integer21-Mar-06 20:33
170OldesAnd you must have a Flex Builder which has 112MB = must be all the industrial standards so huge?21-Mar-06 20:25
169Oldes(bytes) And don't see any reason, why it requires Flash 8.5 - it can be done in Flash 421-Mar-06 20:08
168Oldesech, for the first look I don't like it. For example this card game (Klondike) http://www.darronschall.com/playground/klondike3.swf has 22966321-Mar-06 20:07
167OldesI'm just looking what's new with Flash 8.5 (beta) http://labs.macromedia.com21-Mar-06 19:52
166james_nakYes, but it's still funny. Keep up th egood work.20-Mar-06 17:11
165Oldesjames: the elasticboy is not my flash file! it's just a test if it's possible to download movie from other domain.17-Mar-06 13:24
164OldesI've just updated the dialect to be able override the default settings for maximum recursion depth and ActionScript time-out: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=16217-Mar-06 13:23
163?I got to see a demo of this product : www.Lazlosystems.com which is a language that spews out both Flash and JavaScript. (and they look the same).17-Mar-06 4:43
162james_nakOldes, all very good examples. Thanks.16-Mar-06 21:24
161james_nakLove that elasticboy. That's funny.16-Mar-06 21:18
160OldesI've added an experiment with the Flash's security model http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=161 (there is added new tag so update your rswf dialect from the page) I'm not sure if it's working, but it should because it produces the same thing as this Macromedia's tool http://www.macromedia.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html#lcu16-Mar-06 20:24
159james_nakThanks Oldes. I will check those out.16-Mar-06 18:05
158OldesOrganic window: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=16016-Mar-06 12:25
157OldesframTo tweening: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=15916-Mar-06 11:03
156Oldesjust found that the movies for this example http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=116 were missing - in the movie in the middle are czech soldiers on acid and the rest are the same chinese soldiers preparing to watch atomic explosion.16-Mar-06 8:57
155Oldeshm, it's not so funny, they were really watching atomic explosion. And probably were not so stupid, just the leaders who forced them do such a experiments.16-Mar-06 8:52
154TerryBy the way .. i like the title of "to see stupid chinese wathing atomic bomb explosion" those chinese... crack me up..16-Mar-06 8:46
153TerryI'm thinking about generating on the fly16-Mar-06 8:45
152Oldesthat's can be done just setting print: prin: none16-Mar-06 8:42
151OldesAnd it's easy, you just run rswf and call MAKE-SWF and print the result (probably would have to remove some warnings which are printed when I run make-swf)16-Mar-06 8:41
150OldesI would not use something like that. Why? You can have everything precompiled.16-Mar-06 8:39
149TerryOldes, do you have an eample that could create and embed a swf on the fly ie: via cgi?16-Mar-06 8:36
148Oldeshttp://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=15816-Mar-06 8:33
147OldesAnd here is new example again: http://box.lebeda.ws/~hmm/rswf/index.php?example=155 using precompiled tweening prototype16-Mar-06 0:26
146Oldes(oops:-)9-Mar-06 18:12
145OldesYou may see that I have to close the functions into parenthesis9-Mar-06 18:12

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