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134 Mchean Dr. Dobbs has meetings all the time in Second Life 22-Apr 16:34
133 Reichart LOL 22-Apr 6:51
132 Graham Or, we could all atttend one of those virtual churches and hijack the proceedings :) 22-Apr 6:14
131 Graham We could also use Second Life as these surgeons are for the Devcon 22-Apr 6:07
130 Graham http://scienceroll.com/2008/04/21/the-first-international-virtual-association-of-surgeons-meeting/ 22-Apr 6:07
129 Pekr Hmm, I will have to talk about it with Cyphre. But after all those years, I wanted to see Carl :-) And if we do 2008 in Prague, next time it will be another place (hopefully I will be able to visit). But I also planned small promo, some media interview with Carl, etc. Anyway - as for RT - there is not DevCon this year .... 21-Apr 10:32
128 Robert Yes, let's keep DevCon 2008 in Prague. I'm for it. 21-Apr 8:40
127 TomBon "Dimdim Open Source has all the features of our Enterprise version and can be downloaded and installed on your own servers immediately." 20-Apr 19:25
126 TomBon sounds promising, broadcast via browser (flash) whiteboard, documentshare etc. and also open source. could be the right tool for easy videoconferencing http://www.dimdim.com/ 20-Apr 19:20
125 Henrik to see anything on the presenter screen you need it in almost HD anyway 20-Apr 18:47
124 Henrik I would in fact much rather have that, than some kind of live videofeed 20-Apr 18:47
123 Maarten *the TNC conference 20-Apr 18:47
122 Maarten That does exist... at the conference in Croatia in 2004 they already had that, synced with slides, really nice. 20-Apr 18:46
121 Henrik recordable 20-Apr 18:45
120 Henrik I would like to see a presentation system with concurrent audio feed from the presenter. 20-Apr 18:45
119 Reichart We need a simple system to pass the video feed around, we think we found a service that works well...we need to talk to Mark (at Qtask) about what he finally liked best. 20-Apr 18:37
118 Maarten Well, we can videoconference with Skype in the worst case ;-) 20-Apr 18:33
117 Reichart I'm in. 20-Apr 18:32
116 Reichart True... 20-Apr 18:32
115 Maarten Well, we should do something every year, virtual or not. Otherwise we're not taking what we do very seriously. 20-Apr 18:30
114 Reichart I could get about 5 of the Qtask team to talk about their work with REBOL.... 20-Apr 18:25
113 Reichart I do like the idea of a Virtual devcon though... 20-Apr 18:25
112 Reichart I think would could do it with out Carl, but it would be a lot of fun to have hi talk about R3...and worth waiting for... 20-Apr 18:25
111 Maarten So our coumminty is so strong that if RT "cancels" Devcon particpation, we don't have one? Let's solve *that* problem. Devcon 2008 in Prague! 20-Apr 18:20
110 Pekr but yes, tools for sharing would be fine. We should look at tools line MS Collaboration server or Lotus Sametime - kind of multi-icq app - you drag and drop users there, you can make screenshots, post them directly to channel, you can draw and post it, you can share your app to other (probably using RMD (remote desktop) protocol in Windows) 19-Apr 9:06
109 Pekr Maybe read-only feature for certain groups would be sufficient as a starter .... 19-Apr 9:04
108 Pekr yes, AltmeNG :-) Channels with moderation, etc. It is 12 yeas, but do you remember famous Amiga shows? We used IRC channels with hundreds of ppl, yet we were at least possible to moderate ... 19-Apr 9:04
107 amacleod I like that idea. REmote slide show, Shared white board... 19-Apr 2:09
106 Henrik Perhaps it's also time to consider some REBOL tools for eDevcons. 18-Apr 18:07
105 james_nak Perhaps it's time we consider an eDevCon. 18-Apr 16:37
104 Henrik good move 18-Apr 9:13
103 Pekr DevCon 2008 in Prague was cancelled. RT decided not to participate this year at DevCon, as they prefer R3 being finished first. Prague as a place still stays as a main candidate for next DevCon though. I expect next DevCon to happen sometimes Spring 2009. 18-Apr 4:43
102 Sunanda Ping? 29-Feb 23:49
101 Brock I'm actually in Ottawa, Canada, the down-under was a bit of joke about being from where I "don't get much sun" 6-Oct 19:47
100 james_nak I also did not know the dots were draggable. 6-Oct 19:30
99 james_nak Oh, I thought you were up in the northern part of the US (where it rains alot). 6-Oct 19:28
98 Brock I come from the land down under!! Actually I made a mistake... dragged my dot off the screen, thus lost it altogether. :-( 6-Oct 19:27
97 james_nak The first one I think... Davis, Rome?, Paris, tiem flies. 6-Oct 19:26
96 Chris In case you're wondering, I made this map for DevCon '05. 6-Oct 14:24
95 james_nak I may be able to help in the video streaming area. Our company has encoders that will stream at a lower rate and archive locally at a higher rate. 6-Oct 6:06
94 james_nak Brock, I know you don't get much sunshine but your "circle" doesn't show up on the rebcon-map. Thanks Chris for this, by the way. 6-Oct 6:05
93 Chris do http://www.ross-gill.com/r/rebcon-map.r 6-Oct 2:07
92 Chris Thanks, Cyphre. Duly updated... 6-Oct 2:06
91 Cyphre (it has something to do with the path evaluation in the DRAW parser imo) 5-Oct 23:52
90 Cyphre Chris: the crash looks like a some strangebug in the DRAW parser: If you swap line: image images/pin prefs/location to: image prefs/location images/pin
it works ok
5-Oct 23:52
89 Louis Also, there must be a mic up close to the speaker---perhaps a lapel mic. Otherwise the audio is awful. The equipment needs to be set up a day or two before the event, and some testing done to make sure everything is working properly. It pays to have someone with experience do this. 5-Oct 3:56
88 Louis Anton, I agree. Live streaming just doesn't cut it for me. My internet connection is too slow. 5-Oct 3:52
87 Anton Whatever the live streaming can achieve on the day, I think it would be good if a high quality video was stored for later offline access. 5-Oct 3:27
86 Brock The version of your script that I have is showing only the time-zone map in newer views. 29-Sep 15:08
85 Chris Any idea why this script is crashing newer View? 29-Sep 14:44
84 Chris Graham -- needs an update: http://www.ross-gill.com/r/rebcon-map.r 29-Sep 14:42
83 Terry http://www.foureyesjokeshop.com/ProductImages/Bun_in_the_Oven_funny_couple_costume.jpg 28-Sep 20:24
82 Alan looks like his page page is 404 :( 28-Sep 20:18
81 Alan you will need to input your info via the box in lower right 28-Sep 17:25
80 Alan errru has/had one called planet.r I have a copy and put it here http://home.comcast.net/~amigarebol/planet.r 28-Sep 17:05
79 Gregg There was a world map at one point, maybe done by Chriss Ross-Gill on an old IOS world. 28-Sep 15:43
78 james_nak Oooh. Of course the line above has nothing to with Devcon but if you want a nice stove... 28-Sep 1:07
77 james_nak Absolute Appliances 800-385-4032 28-Sep 1:05
76 james_nak Yeah, if you put that way, that would be nice. Do we have an app that shows where were all from? I wonder if Terry could whip up us something? I recall at one time there was a link to a google maps page that posted little balloons. 27-Sep 20:49
75 Gabriele i'd vote for cz, close from here, and finally i get to meet petr ;) 27-Sep 20:39
74 Rondon Well, I want to candidate Brazil to be the place. 27-Sep 16:17
73 Pekr It might sound surprising, but I am for CZ too :-) 27-Sep 15:59
72 Robert CZ sounds good to me. 27-Sep 15:24
71 Cyphre I'm able to organize really good devcon in Czech Republic. There will be two parts: the devcon itself and also cool fun part for a group of people who want to stay for couple of days longer and together enjoy local sights, wine cellars(Carl? ;)) etc. If there is some interest it could be in 2008 or later in 2009, it doesn't matter. 27-Sep 12:53
70 Rondon ok. What should be the criterias to be a selected host ? 26-Sep 20:44
69 Sunanda More useful than votes for locations would be rought statements of intent from potential host. If there is more than one set of potential hosts, we could vote on the best / most likely to succeed :-) 25-Sep 23:18
68 Terry My wife is Tasmanian.. does that count? 25-Sep 17:54
67 Graham and a few more on the mailing list ... 24-Sep 22:36
66 Allen Antipodean Rebols - I'm sure there is more. Anton, Ashley, Andrew, Allen, Brett, Graham, Colin, James 24-Sep 22:35
65 Allen Yes, would be nice to get the conference on this continent for a change. 24-Sep 22:26
64 Rebolek Interesting question. Per square km definitely ;) 24-Sep 13:31
63 PeterWood I thought Czech had more Rebollers than Australia 24-Sep 13:08
62 Ashley Melbourne, but I'm biased ;) 24-Sep 9:11
61 Graham there are more australian rebol users than other countries after the USA and France .. so I would vote Australia ... somewhere. 24-Sep 7:53
60 Robert Looks like mostly 95% of all people than have to travel quite far. 24-Sep 6:29
59 Kaj I vote for Rio, then 23-Sep 15:43
58 Kaj Brazil would be cool :-) 23-Sep 15:42
57 Rondon In Brasilia, the capital or in Rio 23-Sep 6:28
56 Rondon I can arrange everything here at the Convention Bureau 23-Sep 6:28
55 Rondon I vote for Brazil 23-Sep 6:28
54 Chris Whichever route, it'll take one or two attendees to dedicate themselves to relaying information. 22-Sep 17:57
53 Chris I tried the wiki approach to live broadcasting, but may have introduced it too late to have it in the attendees' conscienciousness. Whatever, it didn't contain the depth of relayed information I thought it had the potential for. Video is fine, but is fleeting (when it works). Liveblogging may be easier to implement, but then there is little structure to information beyond time. 22-Sep 17:56
52 btiffin :) 21-Sep 14:14
51 Henrik You in fact remind be of Radar O'Reilly in MASH who once wrote a letter to his mother. He wrote "I write to you very slowly, because I know you are not a fast reader." ;-) 21-Sep 9:39
50 Henrik Brian, we are different I guess. I also hate talking on a phone, since spoken word for me can be hard to understand, but a simple line of text can be read again and again until you get it at the speed that you can read, not the speed that's dictated at the other end. I see a big difference there and my brain works just fine, processing text. Perhaps it only comes after 10 years of IRC'ing with lots of different people. I don't really care about video unless it's a tutorial where the content is shown in at least DVD quality with a clear voice using a studio microphone and the audio is properly synchronized with the video. Simple plain text is for me far preferable for anything less than that. 21-Sep 9:36
49 Henrik at Amiga shows there are radio interviews. for Apple keynotes, since Apple stopped broadcasting live video, various sites just update an AJAX based site with text and images and it works OK. 21-Sep 9:22
48 Henrik I'd go for something low-bandwidth, perhaps relayed from the devcon site to rebol.net where the bandwidth is higher for broadcasting. I would much rather have reliable text messaging than fuzzy or unclear video or audio that drops out once in a while. Hey, that sounds like AltME. :-) 21-Sep 9:20
47 Sunanda If you skim the transcript of the Altme group during DevCon2007, you can see the frustrations cuuased by the narrow channel between the meeting room and the rest of the world. I think partially because the live feed was not a top priority for the organisers One idea: If 50 people paid USD15 to be Internet Participants at DevCon2008 that could fund a much better channel for them
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp500x303
21-Sep 9:05
46 Gabriele and... i can provide a TeamSpeak server if you want voice. Video is unfortunately not that easy. 21-Sep 8:50
45 Gabriele yes, but then i say, we meet, and allow others to see video stream (worked well in France), and call in via skype (just need to make sure we have a pc with skype set up ;). 100% virtual is not even 1% of the fun. ;) 21-Sep 8:50
44 Robert Gab, I agree. But for those that can't attend it might be a good option. 21-Sep 6:39
43 btiffin Gabriele; altme has no facial expressions. Few get how jokey or how serious a posting may be. The eyes and intonations make for at least half of the meaning. It's my personal opinion that people can't drive well with cell phones due to the 3.4 kHz audio range; too many brain cycles are being used to fill in the missing intonations. It takes a leap of faith in many posts when technical information is being discussed. If people could see the look of fear and confusion that I usually express while typing something, I'd feel better that I wasn't leading people down the garden path when offering opinions and advice; my brain would know that they would know I was talkin' out my ass. :) So in short; in person is best by far, video is a distant second, audio even further down the chain and text way down at the bottom. So given REBOL's awesome international user base, if I can't make DevCon, gimme viddies. 20-Sep 22:52
42 Gabriele the thing i don't understand is... what is the point of a virtual meeting? we already meet virtually here every day. 20-Sep 19:32
41 Robert www.gotomeeting.com The best system for virtual meetings I know about. 20-Sep 17:32
40 Mchean yeah but not in time for Devcon2008 20-Sep 16:19
39 james_nak Ah, Rebol and video. I understand R3 will address this. 20-Sep 15:39
38 Brock Things I liked, speakers could queue up if they had something to contribute, when they were given the floor their bio page would display. There was also a seating plan that showed the status of all people logged in by colour coding. Questions were queued by a moderator and people could be given the option to 'raise their hand'. 18-Sep 22:57
37 Brock Yes, just sat through a Microsoft Live Meeting presentation. It was a very nice user experience. 18-Sep 22:55
36 Henrik I'd say we need a presentation tool that relays layout data to a number of people along with streaming audio. That's my biggest issue with the experiences we've had with devcon videos. 18-Sep 10:18
35 Pekr But - there is nothing like personal meeting, unless we one day have something like video conferencing in REBOL :-) 18-Sep 10:16
34 Pekr We have already AltME - what do you need to be it more virtual and real-time? 18-Sep 10:15
33 Pavel But How You Eat Pizza Virtually :) 18-Sep 9:48
32 Henrik I had hoped exactly that would happen 17-Sep 19:53
31 james_nak You mean one of you geniuses can't write a virtual meeting app? : ) Seriously, that would be a great project. 17-Sep 19:47
30 Louis Yes! a virutal DevCon would really be great! 17-Sep 18:06
29 Mchean but Croquet does. This makes sense only until something similiar can be done in a rebol environment 17-Sep 17:41
28 Mchean Im not sure if SL has video broadcasting without going to a web site 17-Sep 17:40
27 Terry Second Life is a cool idea. 17-Sep 17:28
26 Henrik second life? altME makes more sense to me :-) 17-Sep 16:50
25 Mchean Second Life or Croquet for a virtual DevCon? 17-Sep 16:47
24 Pekr for most, imo .... 17-Sep 14:03
23 Rebolek Even if I can use half of my year's income for a trip to Maui, I'll probably never get US Visa so it's pretty pointless for me. 17-Sep 14:00
22 Pekr Maui - ok, so 10 Rebols from around the world can afford it :-) 17-Sep 13:26
21 Robert Maui in August :-) 17-Sep 12:25
20 Pekr we need new datatype - Carl! .....
append devcon-CZ make Carl! [] :-)
17-Sep 8:33
19 Gabriele altough... i should say that the great thing about the devcons is getting together... even if there were no presentations, the devcons would be really great. 17-Sep 7:47
18 Gabriele hmm, it would be cool to "sync" two devcons (or even three?) in two different sides of the world and be connected somehow. timezone problems will be hard to workaround though... but mainly, who gets Carl? ;) 17-Sep 7:45
17 Graham I vote Atlantis .. always wanted to visit there 17-Sep 7:31
16 DanielSz I vote for China. Now that would be interesting... 17-Sep 5:45
15 eFishAnt Why use inferior tools. 17-Sep 4:12
14 eFishAnt So we can drink our own Wine, the REBOL Wine. 17-Sep 4:11
13 eFishAnt I "AM" working on it...;-) 17-Sep 4:11
12 eFishAnt Like I told Dave the Collaboration visitor in Davis in 2004, that was the first non-vitural meeting we had. 17-Sep 4:11
11 james_nak We "Should" be able to do this. 17-Sep 4:10
10 james_nak I was also wondering if we couldn't do something virtual. That would be a project worth working on as the tools created woould be quite useful. 17-Sep 4:08
9 james_nak Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 17-Sep 4:07
8 eFishAnt Czech Republic makes lots of sense, since we have the smartest people from there. 17-Sep 4:04
7 eFishAnt Madagascar would be cool. 17-Sep 4:03
6 james_nak Let's face it'll end up being somewhere else. I think the other side of the world from us. 17-Sep 3:53
5 james_nak : ) Well, since I'm in So Cal I can't make hardly any claims about heart which are very positive : ) 17-Sep 3:52
4 eFishAnt yes, Missouri. It's the Heart of America. 17-Sep 3:49
3 james_nak That's in MO,. right? 17-Sep 3:47
2 eFishAnt I vote for Kansas City. Walt Disney, Hallmark, Charlie Parker (Jazz District), Country Club Plaza, American Century, and the best Bar-B-Que and I can do the legwork here. Also the UMKC Volker Campus, even if it ain't named after Volker. 16-Sep 22:29
1 Sunanda Thought I'd start a group (it's web-public) in the hope that there will be a DevCon2008 -- or more than one. Does anyone have ahy plans, ideas, hopes? 16-Sep 22:23

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#	User	Message	Date
134	Mchean	Dr. Dobbs has meetings all the time in Second Life	22-Apr 16:34
133	Reichart	LOL	22-Apr 6:51
132	Graham	Or, we could all atttend one of those virtual churches and hijack the proceedings :)	22-Apr 6:14
131	Graham	We could also use Second Life as these surgeons are for the Devcon	22-Apr 6:07
130	Graham	http://scienceroll.com/2008/04/21/the-first-international-virtual-association-of-surgeons-meeting/	22-Apr 6:07
129	Pekr	Hmm, I will have to talk about it with Cyphre. But after all those years, I wanted to see Carl :-) And if we do 2008 in Prague, next time it will be another place (hopefully I will be able to visit). But I also planned small promo, some media interview with Carl, etc. Anyway - as for RT - there is not DevCon this year ....	21-Apr 10:32
128	Robert	Yes, let's keep DevCon 2008 in Prague. I'm for it.	21-Apr 8:40
127	TomBon	"Dimdim Open Source has all the features of our Enterprise version and can be downloaded and installed on your own servers immediately."	20-Apr 19:25
126	TomBon	sounds promising, broadcast via browser (flash) whiteboard, documentshare etc. and also open source. could be the right tool for easy videoconferencing http://www.dimdim.com/	20-Apr 19:20
125	Henrik	to see anything on the presenter screen you need it in almost HD anyway	20-Apr 18:47
124	Henrik	I would in fact much rather have that, than some kind of live videofeed	20-Apr 18:47
123	Maarten	*the TNC conference	20-Apr 18:47
122	Maarten	That does exist... at the conference in Croatia in 2004 they already had that, synced with slides, really nice.	20-Apr 18:46
121	Henrik	recordable	20-Apr 18:45
120	Henrik	I would like to see a presentation system with concurrent audio feed from the presenter.	20-Apr 18:45
119	Reichart	We need a simple system to pass the video feed around, we think we found a service that works well...we need to talk to Mark (at Qtask) about what he finally liked best.	20-Apr 18:37
118	Maarten	Well, we can videoconference with Skype in the worst case ;-)	20-Apr 18:33
117	Reichart	I'm in.	20-Apr 18:32
116	Reichart	True...	20-Apr 18:32
115	Maarten	Well, we should do something every year, virtual or not. Otherwise we're not taking what we do very seriously.	20-Apr 18:30
114	Reichart	I could get about 5 of the Qtask team to talk about their work with REBOL....	20-Apr 18:25
113	Reichart	I do like the idea of a Virtual devcon though...	20-Apr 18:25
112	Reichart	I think would could do it with out Carl, but it would be a lot of fun to have hi talk about R3...and worth waiting for...	20-Apr 18:25
111	Maarten	So our coumminty is so strong that if RT "cancels" Devcon particpation, we don't have one? Let's solve that problem. Devcon 2008 in Prague!	20-Apr 18:20
110	Pekr	but yes, tools for sharing would be fine. We should look at tools line MS Collaboration server or Lotus Sametime - kind of multi-icq app - you drag and drop users there, you can make screenshots, post them directly to channel, you can draw and post it, you can share your app to other (probably using RMD (remote desktop) protocol in Windows)	19-Apr 9:06
109	Pekr	Maybe read-only feature for certain groups would be sufficient as a starter ....	19-Apr 9:04
108	Pekr	yes, AltmeNG :-) Channels with moderation, etc. It is 12 yeas, but do you remember famous Amiga shows? We used IRC channels with hundreds of ppl, yet we were at least possible to moderate ...	19-Apr 9:04
107	amacleod	I like that idea. REmote slide show, Shared white board...	19-Apr 2:09
106	Henrik	Perhaps it's also time to consider some REBOL tools for eDevcons.	18-Apr 18:07
105	james_nak	Perhaps it's time we consider an eDevCon.	18-Apr 16:37
104	Henrik	good move	18-Apr 9:13
103	Pekr	DevCon 2008 in Prague was cancelled. RT decided not to participate this year at DevCon, as they prefer R3 being finished first. Prague as a place still stays as a main candidate for next DevCon though. I expect next DevCon to happen sometimes Spring 2009.	18-Apr 4:43
102	Sunanda	Ping?	29-Feb 23:49
101	Brock	I'm actually in Ottawa, Canada, the down-under was a bit of joke about being from where I "don't get much sun"	6-Oct 19:47
100	james_nak	I also did not know the dots were draggable.	6-Oct 19:30
99	james_nak	Oh, I thought you were up in the northern part of the US (where it rains alot).	6-Oct 19:28
98	Brock	I come from the land down under!! Actually I made a mistake... dragged my dot off the screen, thus lost it altogether. :-(	6-Oct 19:27
97	james_nak	The first one I think... Davis, Rome?, Paris, tiem flies.	6-Oct 19:26
96	Chris	In case you're wondering, I made this map for DevCon '05.	6-Oct 14:24
95	james_nak	I may be able to help in the video streaming area. Our company has encoders that will stream at a lower rate and archive locally at a higher rate.	6-Oct 6:06
94	james_nak	Brock, I know you don't get much sunshine but your "circle" doesn't show up on the rebcon-map. Thanks Chris for this, by the way.	6-Oct 6:05
93	Chris	do http://www.ross-gill.com/r/rebcon-map.r	6-Oct 2:07
92	Chris	Thanks, Cyphre. Duly updated...	6-Oct 2:06
91	Cyphre	(it has something to do with the path evaluation in the DRAW parser imo)	5-Oct 23:52
90	Cyphre	Chris: the crash looks like a some strangebug in the DRAW parser: If you swap line: image images/pin prefs/location to: image prefs/location images/pin it works ok	5-Oct 23:52
89	Louis	Also, there must be a mic up close to the speaker---perhaps a lapel mic. Otherwise the audio is awful. The equipment needs to be set up a day or two before the event, and some testing done to make sure everything is working properly. It pays to have someone with experience do this.	5-Oct 3:56
88	Louis	Anton, I agree. Live streaming just doesn't cut it for me. My internet connection is too slow.	5-Oct 3:52
87	Anton	Whatever the live streaming can achieve on the day, I think it would be good if a high quality video was stored for later offline access.	5-Oct 3:27
86	Brock	The version of your script that I have is showing only the time-zone map in newer views.	29-Sep 15:08
85	Chris	Any idea why this script is crashing newer View?	29-Sep 14:44
84	Chris	Graham -- needs an update: http://www.ross-gill.com/r/rebcon-map.r	29-Sep 14:42
83	Terry	http://www.foureyesjokeshop.com/ProductImages/Bun_in_the_Oven_funny_couple_costume.jpg	28-Sep 20:24
82	Alan	looks like his page page is 404 :(	28-Sep 20:18
81	Alan	you will need to input your info via the box in lower right	28-Sep 17:25
80	Alan	errru has/had one called planet.r I have a copy and put it here http://home.comcast.net/~amigarebol/planet.r	28-Sep 17:05
79	Gregg	There was a world map at one point, maybe done by Chriss Ross-Gill on an old IOS world.	28-Sep 15:43
78	james_nak	Oooh. Of course the line above has nothing to with Devcon but if you want a nice stove...	28-Sep 1:07
77	james_nak	Absolute Appliances 800-385-4032	28-Sep 1:05
76	james_nak	Yeah, if you put that way, that would be nice. Do we have an app that shows where were all from? I wonder if Terry could whip up us something? I recall at one time there was a link to a google maps page that posted little balloons.	27-Sep 20:49
75	Gabriele	i'd vote for cz, close from here, and finally i get to meet petr ;)	27-Sep 20:39
74	Rondon	Well, I want to candidate Brazil to be the place.	27-Sep 16:17
73	Pekr	It might sound surprising, but I am for CZ too :-)	27-Sep 15:59
72	Robert	CZ sounds good to me.	27-Sep 15:24
71	Cyphre	I'm able to organize really good devcon in Czech Republic. There will be two parts: the devcon itself and also cool fun part for a group of people who want to stay for couple of days longer and together enjoy local sights, wine cellars(Carl? ;)) etc. If there is some interest it could be in 2008 or later in 2009, it doesn't matter.	27-Sep 12:53
70	Rondon	ok. What should be the criterias to be a selected host ?	26-Sep 20:44
69	Sunanda	More useful than votes for locations would be rought statements of intent from potential host. If there is more than one set of potential hosts, we could vote on the best / most likely to succeed :-)	25-Sep 23:18
68	Terry	My wife is Tasmanian.. does that count?	25-Sep 17:54
67	Graham	and a few more on the mailing list ...	24-Sep 22:36
66	Allen	Antipodean Rebols - I'm sure there is more. Anton, Ashley, Andrew, Allen, Brett, Graham, Colin, James	24-Sep 22:35
65	Allen	Yes, would be nice to get the conference on this continent for a change.	24-Sep 22:26
64	Rebolek	Interesting question. Per square km definitely ;)	24-Sep 13:31
63	PeterWood	I thought Czech had more Rebollers than Australia	24-Sep 13:08
62	Ashley	Melbourne, but I'm biased ;)	24-Sep 9:11
61	Graham	there are more australian rebol users than other countries after the USA and France .. so I would vote Australia ... somewhere.	24-Sep 7:53
60	Robert	Looks like mostly 95% of all people than have to travel quite far.	24-Sep 6:29
59	Kaj	I vote for Rio, then	23-Sep 15:43
58	Kaj	Brazil would be cool :-)	23-Sep 15:42
57	Rondon	In Brasilia, the capital or in Rio	23-Sep 6:28
56	Rondon	I can arrange everything here at the Convention Bureau	23-Sep 6:28
55	Rondon	I vote for Brazil	23-Sep 6:28
54	Chris	Whichever route, it'll take one or two attendees to dedicate themselves to relaying information.	22-Sep 17:57
53	Chris	I tried the wiki approach to live broadcasting, but may have introduced it too late to have it in the attendees' conscienciousness. Whatever, it didn't contain the depth of relayed information I thought it had the potential for. Video is fine, but is fleeting (when it works). Liveblogging may be easier to implement, but then there is little structure to information beyond time.	22-Sep 17:56
52	btiffin	:)	21-Sep 14:14
51	Henrik	You in fact remind be of Radar O'Reilly in MASH who once wrote a letter to his mother. He wrote "I write to you very slowly, because I know you are not a fast reader." ;-)	21-Sep 9:39
50	Henrik	Brian, we are different I guess. I also hate talking on a phone, since spoken word for me can be hard to understand, but a simple line of text can be read again and again until you get it at the speed that you can read, not the speed that's dictated at the other end. I see a big difference there and my brain works just fine, processing text. Perhaps it only comes after 10 years of IRC'ing with lots of different people. I don't really care about video unless it's a tutorial where the content is shown in at least DVD quality with a clear voice using a studio microphone and the audio is properly synchronized with the video. Simple plain text is for me far preferable for anything less than that.	21-Sep 9:36
49	Henrik	at Amiga shows there are radio interviews. for Apple keynotes, since Apple stopped broadcasting live video, various sites just update an AJAX based site with text and images and it works OK.	21-Sep 9:22
48	Henrik	I'd go for something low-bandwidth, perhaps relayed from the devcon site to rebol.net where the bandwidth is higher for broadcasting. I would much rather have reliable text messaging than fuzzy or unclear video or audio that drops out once in a while. Hey, that sounds like AltME. :-)	21-Sep 9:20
47	Sunanda	If you skim the transcript of the Altme group during DevCon2007, you can see the frustrations cuuased by the narrow channel between the meeting room and the rest of the world. I think partially because the live feed was not a top priority for the organisers One idea: If 50 people paid USD15 to be Internet Participants at DevCon2008 that could fund a much better channel for them http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/aga-display-posts.r?post=r3wp500x303	21-Sep 9:05
46	Gabriele	and... i can provide a TeamSpeak server if you want voice. Video is unfortunately not that easy.	21-Sep 8:50
45	Gabriele	yes, but then i say, we meet, and allow others to see video stream (worked well in France), and call in via skype (just need to make sure we have a pc with skype set up ;). 100% virtual is not even 1% of the fun. ;)	21-Sep 8:50
44	Robert	Gab, I agree. But for those that can't attend it might be a good option.	21-Sep 6:39
43	btiffin	Gabriele; altme has no facial expressions. Few get how jokey or how serious a posting may be. The eyes and intonations make for at least half of the meaning. It's my personal opinion that people can't drive well with cell phones due to the 3.4 kHz audio range; too many brain cycles are being used to fill in the missing intonations. It takes a leap of faith in many posts when technical information is being discussed. If people could see the look of fear and confusion that I usually express while typing something, I'd feel better that I wasn't leading people down the garden path when offering opinions and advice; my brain would know that they would know I was talkin' out my ass. :) So in short; in person is best by far, video is a distant second, audio even further down the chain and text way down at the bottom. So given REBOL's awesome international user base, if I can't make DevCon, gimme viddies.	20-Sep 22:52
42	Gabriele	the thing i don't understand is... what is the point of a virtual meeting? we already meet virtually here every day.	20-Sep 19:32
41	Robert	www.gotomeeting.com The best system for virtual meetings I know about.	20-Sep 17:32
40	Mchean	yeah but not in time for Devcon2008	20-Sep 16:19
39	james_nak	Ah, Rebol and video. I understand R3 will address this.	20-Sep 15:39
38	Brock	Things I liked, speakers could queue up if they had something to contribute, when they were given the floor their bio page would display. There was also a seating plan that showed the status of all people logged in by colour coding. Questions were queued by a moderator and people could be given the option to 'raise their hand'.	18-Sep 22:57
37	Brock	Yes, just sat through a Microsoft Live Meeting presentation. It was a very nice user experience.	18-Sep 22:55
36	Henrik	I'd say we need a presentation tool that relays layout data to a number of people along with streaming audio. That's my biggest issue with the experiences we've had with devcon videos.	18-Sep 10:18
35	Pekr	But - there is nothing like personal meeting, unless we one day have something like video conferencing in REBOL :-)	18-Sep 10:16
34	Pekr	We have already AltME - what do you need to be it more virtual and real-time?	18-Sep 10:15
33	Pavel	But How You Eat Pizza Virtually :)	18-Sep 9:48
32	Henrik	I had hoped exactly that would happen	17-Sep 19:53
31	james_nak	You mean one of you geniuses can't write a virtual meeting app? : ) Seriously, that would be a great project.	17-Sep 19:47
30	Louis	Yes! a virutal DevCon would really be great!	17-Sep 18:06
29	Mchean	but Croquet does. This makes sense only until something similiar can be done in a rebol environment	17-Sep 17:41
28	Mchean	Im not sure if SL has video broadcasting without going to a web site	17-Sep 17:40
27	Terry	Second Life is a cool idea.	17-Sep 17:28
26	Henrik	second life? altME makes more sense to me :-)	17-Sep 16:50
25	Mchean	Second Life or Croquet for a virtual DevCon?	17-Sep 16:47
24	Pekr	for most, imo ....	17-Sep 14:03
23	Rebolek	Even if I can use half of my year's income for a trip to Maui, I'll probably never get US Visa so it's pretty pointless for me.	17-Sep 14:00
22	Pekr	Maui - ok, so 10 Rebols from around the world can afford it :-)	17-Sep 13:26
21	Robert	Maui in August :-)	17-Sep 12:25
20	Pekr	we need new datatype - Carl! ..... append devcon-CZ make Carl! [] :-)	17-Sep 8:33
19	Gabriele	altough... i should say that the great thing about the devcons is getting together... even if there were no presentations, the devcons would be really great.	17-Sep 7:47
18	Gabriele	hmm, it would be cool to "sync" two devcons (or even three?) in two different sides of the world and be connected somehow. timezone problems will be hard to workaround though... but mainly, who gets Carl? ;)	17-Sep 7:45
17	Graham	I vote Atlantis .. always wanted to visit there	17-Sep 7:31
16	DanielSz	I vote for China. Now that would be interesting...	17-Sep 5:45
15	eFishAnt	Why use inferior tools.	17-Sep 4:12
14	eFishAnt	So we can drink our own Wine, the REBOL Wine.	17-Sep 4:11
13	eFishAnt	I "AM" working on it...;-)	17-Sep 4:11
12	eFishAnt	Like I told Dave the Collaboration visitor in Davis in 2004, that was the first non-vitural meeting we had.	17-Sep 4:11
11	james_nak	We "Should" be able to do this.	17-Sep 4:10
10	james_nak	I was also wondering if we couldn't do something virtual. That would be a project worth working on as the tools created woould be quite useful.	17-Sep 4:08
9	james_nak	Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.	17-Sep 4:07
8	eFishAnt	Czech Republic makes lots of sense, since we have the smartest people from there.	17-Sep 4:04
7	eFishAnt	Madagascar would be cool.	17-Sep 4:03
6	james_nak	Let's face it'll end up being somewhere else. I think the other side of the world from us.	17-Sep 3:53
5	james_nak	: ) Well, since I'm in So Cal I can't make hardly any claims about heart which are very positive : )	17-Sep 3:52
4	eFishAnt	yes, Missouri. It's the Heart of America.	17-Sep 3:49
3	james_nak	That's in MO,. right?	17-Sep 3:47
2	eFishAnt	I vote for Kansas City. Walt Disney, Hallmark, Charlie Parker (Jazz District), Country Club Plaza, American Century, and the best Bar-B-Que and I can do the legwork here. Also the UMKC Volker Campus, even if it ain't named after Volker.	16-Sep 22:29
1	Sunanda	Thought I'd start a group (it's web-public) in the hope that there will be a DevCon2008 -- or more than one. Does anyone have ahy plans, ideas, hopes?	16-Sep 22:23