| # | User | Message | Date |
| 58 | Rod | Yeah, XML was what I was thought of first with your point but didn't want to assume that was it. I agree it is a hole, shame it is needed as ugly as some of the XML tech is but it is reality. Though I have to admit we still do half our integration projects with flat files as opposed to SOAP. | Fri 22:10 |
| 57 | Graham | the other web services are in REST and JSON ... | Fri 22:08 |
| 56 | Graham | Once that is covered, we can readily do SOAP | Fri 22:08 |
| 55 | Graham | scheme based xml | Fri 22:04 |
| 54 | Rod | I hear you Graham, good points. Can you detail the list of issues for the glue language point? | Fri 21:55 |
| 53 | Graham | I suspect that the people who would be most willing to use Rebol would be startups trying to save time and development. Not established companies. | Fri 19:35 |
| 52 | Graham | To use R as a glue language, it should at least stick to the to the most common surfaces .. but it doesn't. | Fri 19:33 |
| 51 | Graham | To write "Thinking Rebol" .. you would have to be a Rebol guru ... and I think all of them are already busy. | Fri 19:28 |
| 50 | Rod | I'm going with total turtle for general business in the USA. I think it is time for doing right now not time for advocating based on your return on investment in each area. Efforts like supporting S3 as Maarten/QTask are doing is a good way to stay ahead of the curve, open up possibilities for real advocacy a little later on. It is hard to push using R2 with R3 lingering in the shadows but that is what we have to work with. I also think longer term publication efforts could pay off, up to date tutorials, tech docs, books even (where is the Thinking REBOL ala FORTH?) are better than a bullhorn and placard at the moment. | Fri 19:01 |
| 49 | btiffin | Ok, to continue a little. When I mentioned risk, I think I was trying to impart "willingness to explore new avenues". Do corporations seek out options during these periods, or is it a total turtle? If a company is facing new regulations or changes not under their control, do the decisions makers bother with any research at all or do they simply extend relationships already in place? And given this climate, what are the areas REBOL has a chance at making gains in (if any)? Where should a keen advocate spend some time being the looney evangelist? What corner to stand on with the bullhorn and the placards? One of the points being, that as WE all know, if someone gives REBOL a chance, REBOL will payback in spades. | Fri 16:04 |
| 48 | Rod | Brian, My Perspective -
1. Mixed, some of both depending
2. Opportunity is available for working solutions in all three, perhaps a shared risk approach for small
3. No on open to more risk, they will do with less IT instead on innovate
4. I don't think there is much room for risk of any kind
5. Don't think so. Go with the popular or stronger payoff options first There will be exceptions to all of the above, those that take risk, innovate and succeed will jump ahead but the majority will just bide their time and be safe. | Thu 2:27 |
| 47 | Gregg | Hard to say. REBOL is all about smaller and easier, but it's also different, and people may be resistant to change. OTOH, pressure may force companies to look for new solutions that require less manpower and time to develop and maintain. | Wed 23:15 |
| 46 | btiffin | My opinions 1) Don't know. I have no clue. 2a) No, as I feel REBOL still requires a rebol mindset and isn't quite human enough nor technical enough to satisfy many CTOs. 2b) Maybe; if they can be convinced and that might be hard with the current low number of rebols. 2c) Maybe; if they can be reached. 2d) Yes; REBOL is fun once you get the rebol mindspace. 2e) Maybe; if they can get over the closed nature of the core development model. And IMHO the naysayers are missing the point and some (like me) may just be overly positive and just haven't been bit yet. 3) Don't know, haven't been in a cubicle space with an ear to executives for nearly a decade. 4a) Dunno, but if they do have the room to risk a new technology can they be convinced as in 2b. 4b) Dunno. Is this a period of hunker down or exploration for medium sized enterprise? 5) Yes; see 2d and spare time can only help giving a developer (or new to development individual) a chance to see the REBOL way as a good way. | Wed 19:08 |
| 45 | btiffin | General questions. 1) Is the current economic climate good or bad for REBOL advocacy? 2a-2e) Broken down by Big, Medium and Small Business and including closet coders and Open Source volunteers, where is the best opportunity for REBOL 2 at this point? Today that is, November 2008. 3) Will large corporations close ranks and stay with tried and true (even suboptimal true) or will they be open to a little more "risk" when it comes to Information Systems in a quest to lower costs and increase productivity? 4a) Do SME owners have the wiggle room to try new things? 4b) Would they want to? 5) If everyone goes unemployed is there an opportunity to get more closet coders in the rebol ranks? | Wed 19:08 |
| 44 | Brock | http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=read-below.r | 9-Oct 17:47 |
| 43 | Brock | Ah, I was mistaken. I used the read-below.r script from Brett Handley... | 9-Oct 17:47 |
| 42 | Gregg | http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=file-list.r | 9-Oct 16:20 |
| 41 | Brock | There is one in the library if I recall as I got one from somewhere. It's not on this machine, but I'll post the name of it when I get to work. I believe it was built by Gregg. | 9-Oct 11:43 |
| 40 | Maarten | Teasing... imagine using scan dir with S3... | 9-Oct 10:50 |
| 39 | Terry | I think combining this with some javascript visulizations would be cool.. Search for files by timeline http://simile.mit.edu/timeline/ Relate files using Arc / Node http://kylescholz.com/projects/wordnet/ | 9-Oct 6:51 |
| 38 | Henrik | Interesting. I could not find that in my list of scripts on rebol.org. It's the same function, so just use the one on rebol.org. | 9-Oct 6:32 |
| 37 | Terry | this looks good too http://www.rebol.org/view-script.r?script=scan-dir.r | 9-Oct 6:31 |
| 36 | Henrik | Terry, perhaps this is useful: http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/files/file-utilities.r Look at SCAN-DIR. | 9-Oct 6:29 |
| 35 | Terry | Is there a recursive directory crawler script somewhere? | 9-Oct 6:24 |
| 34 | Graham | the ones who want a web interface would not have started with Synapse. | 8-Oct 11:09 |
| 33 | Pekr | I wonder - how are they satisfied with the gui. Aren't they pushing for web interface? | 8-Oct 11:08 |
| 32 | Graham | secret :) | 8-Oct 11:08 |
| 31 | Pekr | Graham - if it is not business secret - how many customers do you have approximately? | 8-Oct 11:08 |
| 30 | Graham | still some rebgui bugs on resizing :( | 8-Oct 11:06 |
| 29 | DideC | I have played a bit with the MS medical stuff recently. I'm amazed that you have "replicated" the UI in Synapse. Very nice work. | 8-Oct 11:04 |
| 28 | Henrik | That's cool, although it's a shame the article is a bit flawed. | 8-Oct 8:12 |
| 27 | Graham | I've been told that people have been heading over to rebol.com from there :) | 8-Oct 7:28 |
| 26 | Henrik | Graham, congrats for the exposure. :-) | 8-Oct 6:47 |
| 25 | Graham | Thanks. | 8-Oct 6:44 |
| 24 | Anton | Yep, Synapse is a good work. | 8-Oct 6:43 |
| 23 | Graham | Barbara Duck who writes the blog used to be a MS developer :) | 8-Oct 0:29 |
| 22 | BrianH | Still, cool interface - looks really useful :) | 8-Oct 0:28 |
| 21 | BrianH | Cool for you, though all the MS references were unnerving. | 8-Oct 0:28 |
| 20 | Graham | Rebol in the news ... http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2008/10/common-user-interface-ehr-development.html | 8-Oct 0:17 |
| 19 | Graham | Has anyone written a ftp client like "ftp" on linux? | 6-Oct 23:15 |
| 18 | Maarten | *feeling | 6-Oct 17:38 |
| 17 | Maarten | I don't know who did it, but I have a felling that it's been done already. | 6-Oct 17:38 |
| 16 | Terry | Should be straight-forward.. .use a block of key/value pairs.. each key is unique.
But it should have a size limit, and when the limit is reached, the least used pair should be replaced with the new pair. Any string could be converted to binary and use that as the key? In PHP you would do an MD5 on the string to build the key. | 6-Oct 9:44 |
| 15 | Terry | I'm looking to build a Rebol version of Memcached.. any suggestions? | 6-Oct 9:37 |
| 14 | Henrik | I miss a group that collects people's wow experiences with REBOL. I know people can tell a lot of good stories on that. :-) | 5-Oct 19:45 |
| 13 | BrianH | That would make this group a good starting point :) | 5-Oct 19:28 |
| 12 | BrianH | Sounds good, especially if it includes chat about being a REBOL programmer and fan - I don't think there is a group specific to that. We might want to set a guideline that if people start to discuss in depth a specific product or feature that doesn't have a group specific to it, we should create a group for that product or feature. | 5-Oct 19:27 |
| 11 | Graham | Sometimes I have something to discuss that is not a covered entity .. and so I use chat .. now I will use REBOL chat. | 5-Oct 19:22 |
| 10 | Graham | Does that sound okay? | 5-Oct 19:21 |
| 9 | Graham | Any REBOL chat not covered by the specific groups. If a new group is created that covers that topic, then subsequent discussion becomes inappropriate. | 5-Oct 19:20 |
| 8 | BrianH | I'm sorry if chat about this group is off topic for the group, but ground rules for the group help to keep discussions appropriate without needing to go private. | 5-Oct 19:19 |
| 7 | BrianH | For instance, that last suggestion would keep questions like RobertS's one about the R3 alpha in the !REBOL3 group (no offense). | 5-Oct 19:17 |
| 6 | BrianH | Or is this a group for chatting about REBOL in general, but not to ask specific questions about any particular feature or product (since they have their own groups)? We don't have one of those - it could be like a civil Advocacy group. | 5-Oct 19:14 |
| 5 | BrianH | There are plenty of groups for REBOL discussions about specific topics, but having a general web-public one is interesting. What are the ground rules? Is it to be a non-version-specific !REBOL3 or a group like Advocacy, except without anti-REBOL advocacy being off topic? | 5-Oct 19:11 |
| 4 | Henrik | There has not been an internal alpha yet, and I don't know when it's going to be available. | 5-Oct 7:18 |
| 3 | RobertS | any hint of an R3 alpha coming available with VID 3.4+ ? | 5-Oct 0:36 |
| 2 | PeterWood | Please keep to Rebol related topics. | 4-Oct 4:32 |
| 1 | PeterWood | I've created this channel for Rebol related discussions. | 4-Oct 4:28 |